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Hammerhead
Seems a bit aggressive to me...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=833_1219800827
Randys
that is how the word "pig" was formed some 45 years ago


too bad, cause I dont want our police to be pigs, I want them to be honest cops...and many are
Claystation
QUOTE (Hammerhead @ Aug 27 2008, 01:41 PM) *
Seems a bit aggressive to me...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=833_1219800827


I'm sure this is an isolated event.

From everything I've heard from all my friend that work in downtown Denver, the police are out in force but are mostly doing what's right.
RandiLover
I have known people who were police. One was my martial arts instructor, very cocky, very confident, and if you do something wrong they are so in your ass. Everyone is a perp, they are on the lookout for them 24-7. They are an elite group and know it. They are under soo much scrutiny, testing, and see the ugly side of life way too often. They have a very dangerous job and an attitude. All you have to do is show them respect and it will change their whole demeanor. Show them disrespect and they will be watching for a mistake, and you will be hating life.
ChiffonBreath
QUOTE (Hammerhead @ Aug 27 2008, 04:41 PM) *
Seems a bit aggressive to me...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=833_1219800827


A lobbyist being knocked down by a cop?

Oh, Yes Code Pinkers are the lobbyists for we the people.

Lobbyists across America should heed the message in that clip. They could be next, once the NWO doesn't need them anymore.

Lobbyists should be standing up for Code Pink.

It was hard for me to actually tellwhat happened in that video...Was the Cope Pinker rapped on the leg with a night stick?

It looked pretty bad. Piss poor judgement on the officer's part...IMHO.

You know, when you consider Alex Jones got to scream his head off at Michele Malkin, repeatedly, but a Code Pinker doesn't get the same level of free speech and free assembly.

Screw Conservatives.


Ishmael
I'm respectful to police unless they get badge-heavy. Then I fall back on my favorite line from "The Quiet Man" as illustrated here:

Walkin' her back, The Whole Long Way


"Red Will" Danaher: So the I.R.A. is in this too, is it?
Hugh Forbes: If it were, Red Will Danaher, not a scorched stone of your fine house would be standing.
Michaleen Flynn: A beautiful sentiment!
L-Rey-LA
Seems isolated.

Sounds like cops are "whiners" too now per Randi.
bushwa


She was found guilty of "contempt of cop.." So, let's see his ass fired.
textynn
I watched that video and that cop shoved that woman down so hard I couldn't believe it. He is extremely lucky she didn't break anything because that shove was ruthless. He's lucky she was a young woman. Many people couldn't take an attack like that without breaking something. That man should be removed from the force immediately. To shove a little tiny woman down like that in the street was brutal. She was no threat to him. She was jabbering at him and he totally let himself go into women degrading brutality. He is not fit to do the job and criminal charges should be made. Any good cop knows that a little woman can't be brutalized like a big dangerous man for no good reason. Woman get permanently crippled by this type of rage and brutality by big immature men everyday. This is not acceptable. If he was on my police force he would be gone for good and charged.
ChiffonBreath
QUOTE (bushwa @ Aug 27 2008, 05:49 PM) *
She was found guilty of "contempt of cop.." So, let's see his ass fired.



Your source?
bushwa
QUOTE (ChiffonBreath @ Aug 27 2008, 10:38 PM) *
Your source?



Oh, easy. Here's the link.

Are you familiar with the charge "contempt of cop?"

roborok
QUOTE (bushwa @ Aug 27 2008, 10:44 PM) *
Oh, easy. Here's the link.

Are you familiar with the charge "contempt of cop?"


The cops tried that shit during the WTO in Seattle & got sued & the protesters won! cool.gif
dula
Randi, your street cred totally went down for me today when I heard you reply to a caller who said he had heard that there was police brutality going on at the Convention. You said some crap like, "well, they are so sweet to me, somebody must have done something wrong for the police to have acted aggressively." Are you freakin' kidding me?!!!!
Just a word of advice. You seem to have the kind of personality flaw that causes you to become a doormat whenever status is dangled in front of your face. There you are at the Democratic Convention rubbing elbows with the elite...throughout the rest of the year it usually involves some celebrity like Willie Nelson...we have to hear you go on endlessly about how you rode in his bus and how Annie is your best friend...and how Melissa showed up and aren't you so cool to be friends with these people...and aren't you the best at what you do, and....I'm sure you can't help it, some sort of genetic flaw that comes with being Jewish but when your ego stops you from covering important topics on your show I feel it's my role in your life to snap you out of it because other than this flaw you have been, in the past, very important to changing this country for the better. The other issue of late is your fawning over Joe Biden. You claim to support the Working Classes, as does he, but fail to mention that Joe signed the Bankruptcy Bill designed as a handout to Credit Card Companies at the expense of struggling Americans. Then in his speech tonight he says we must stop Russia from acting out against Georgia as if Russia were the evil aggressors in this situation. You know better...perhaps you will inform your public.
RoyPDX
QUOTE (dula @ Aug 28 2008, 01:25 AM) *
and....I'm sure you can't help it, some sort of genetic flaw that comes with being Jewish but when your ego stops you from covering important topics...


I would suggest you leave this board and never come back.
Christine
QUOTE (Hammerhead @ Aug 27 2008, 02:41 PM) *
Seems a bit aggressive to me...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=833_1219800827


PIG! Denver cops are for the most part good and decent but they have alot of PIGS on the force as well, that they cover for...disgusting little piggy.
Christine
QUOTE (dula @ Aug 28 2008, 02:25 AM) *
Randi, your street cred totally went down for me today when I heard you reply to a caller who said he had heard that there was police brutality going on at the Convention. You said some crap like, "well, they are so sweet to me, somebody must have done something wrong for the police to have acted aggressively." Are you freakin' kidding me?!!!!
Just a word of advice. You seem to have the kind of personality flaw that causes you to become a doormat whenever status is dangled in front of your face. There you are at the Democratic Convention rubbing elbows with the elite...throughout the rest of the year it usually involves some celebrity like Willie Nelson...we have to hear you go on endlessly about how you rode in his bus and how Annie is your best friend...and how Melissa showed up and aren't you so cool to be friends with these people...and aren't you the best at what you do, and....I'm sure you can't help it, some sort of genetic flaw that comes with being Jewish but when your ego stops you from covering important topics on your show I feel it's my role in your life to snap you out of it because other than this flaw you have been, in the past, very important to changing this country for the better. The other issue of late is your fawning over Joe Biden. You claim to support the Working Classes, as does he, but fail to mention that Joe signed the Bankruptcy Bill designed as a handout to Credit Card Companies at the expense of struggling Americans. Then in his speech tonight he says we must stop Russia from acting out against Georgia as if Russia were the evil aggressors in this situation. You know better...perhaps you will inform your public.


let me be perfectly clear here SHUT THE FUCK UP ASSWIPE!!!! Your freedom of speech can kiss my ass all day long.
Dessalines
QUOTE (dula @ Aug 28 2008, 04:25 AM) *
Randi, your street cred totally went down for me today when I heard you reply to a caller who said he had heard that there was police brutality going on at the Convention. You said some crap like, "well, they are so sweet to me, somebody must have done something wrong for the police to have acted aggressively." Are you freakin' kidding me?!!!!
Just a word of advice. You seem to have the kind of personality flaw that causes you to become a doormat whenever status is dangled in front of your face. There you are at the Democratic Convention rubbing elbows with the elite...throughout the rest of the year it usually involves some celebrity like Willie Nelson...we have to hear you go on endlessly about how you rode in his bus and how Annie is your best friend...and how Melissa showed up and aren't you so cool to be friends with these people...and aren't you the best at what you do, and....I'm sure you can't help it, some sort of genetic flaw that comes with being Jewish but when your ego stops you from covering important topics on your show I feel it's my role in your life to snap you out of it because other than this flaw you have been, in the past, very important to changing this country for the better. The other issue of late is your fawning over Joe Biden. You claim to support the Working Classes, as does he, but fail to mention that Joe signed the Bankruptcy Bill designed as a handout to Credit Card Companies at the expense of struggling Americans. Then in his speech tonight he says we must stop Russia from acting out against Georgia as if Russia were the evil aggressors in this situation. You know better...perhaps you will inform your public.


Jealousy is unbecoming. Its sounds like your wish you had a seat on Willie's bus.
5by5
QUOTE (dula @ Aug 28 2008, 01:25 AM) *
You seem to have the kind of personality flaw that causes you to become a doormat whenever status is dangled in front of your face.

LOL. That describes Randi... not at all.

She turned down a rather lucrative offer, precisely because she WOULDN'T be a suck up.

You might want to know a little something about the person you're bashing before running off at the mouth about them.


And Randi has been particularly hard on Dems who've acted more like DINO's than TRUE Liberals. But she's also a political REALIST, and when things are this much on the ragged edge, you better be too.

Work hard to get DINO's replaced with strong Liberals (get the Ned Lamont's of the world to pounce on the Liebermush's and make it STICK), but know as well that if you get 95% of your issues MOVING in a positive direction, you're making progress.

This is something that as crazy as the loon-a-thon on the Republican side is, they do understand. They have the long view (some would say, "Thousand Year Reich" view) of politics. That is what, over the last 40 years, has taken a movement no sane person in their right mind would vote for, to control of all three branches of government, despite their being profoundly anti-American.

They understand that two steps forward, one step back is STILL forward movement.

But some in our party still haven't gotten that message. Unless Candidate X is ideologically perfect, they go off and pout in the corner like a silly schoolgirl.

I understand there is a limit - that's why I vote against Dianne Feinstein in the primaries every chance I get. That woman chaps my ass. And she has crossed the line som many times, just like Lieberman, that I will vote for Cindy Sheehan over her this time around even in the general election. But that is because I am ALSO confident that we will win an OVERWHELMING majority in the House and Senate, so if a named Republican took Feinstein's place, it would be a broader political irrelevancy.

But you have to do the calculus. There is nothing wrong with thinking strategically, as long as you KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE PRIZE.
Randys
QUOTE (RoyPDX @ Aug 28 2008, 03:20 AM) *
I would suggest you leave this board and never come back.

that can be arranged
shorebird
QUOTE (Randys @ Aug 28 2008, 08:20 AM) *
that can be arranged

If it takes a vote, I vote yet.
Dessalines
QUOTE (5by5 @ Aug 28 2008, 10:26 AM) *
LOL. That describes Randi... not at all.

She turned down a rather lucrative offer, precisely because she WOULDN'T be a suck up.

You might want to know a little something about the person you're bashing before running off at the mouth about them.


And Randi has been particularly hard on Dems who've acted more like DINO's than TRUE Liberals. But she's also a political REALIST, and when things are this much on the ragged edge, you better be too.

Work hard to get DINO's replaced with strong Liberals (get the Ned Lamont's of the world to pounce on the Liebermush's and make it STICK), but know as well that if you get 95% of your issues MOVING in a positive direction, you're making progress.

This is something that as crazy as the loon-a-thon on the Republican side is, they do understand. They have the long view (some would say, "Thousand Year Reich" view) of politics. That is what, over the last 40 years, has taken a movement no sane person in their right mind would vote for, to control of all three branches of government, despite their being profoundly anti-American.

They understand that two steps forward, one step back is STILL forward movement.

But some in our party still haven't gotten that message. Unless Candidate X is ideologically perfect, they go off and pout in the corner like a silly schoolgirl.

I understand there is a limit - that's why I vote against Dianne Feinstein in the primaries every chance I get. That woman chaps my ass. And she has crossed the line som many times, just like Lieberman, that I will vote for Cindy Sheehan over her this time around even in the general election. But that is because I am ALSO confident that we will win an OVERWHELMING majority in the House and Senate, so if a named Republican took Feinstein's place, it would be a broader political irrelevancy.

But you have to do the calculus. There is nothing wrong with thinking strategically, as long as you KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE PRIZE.


Well said. You have articulated something that I have been feeling for a long time. Frankly, I think it is the all or nothing flash in the frying pan mentality of many on the left that has allowed this fascist ideology to take root in this country. If you don't like the exact same candidate, like the exact music, eat exactly what someone says you should eat then you are evil. We have a tendency to alienate and litmus test ourselves into tiny irrelevant tribes to impotent to do anything but complain from the sidelines. I for one am tired of it. There is enough that we agree on to take a lifetime to accomplish but people would rather bitch about what we do not agree on and end up doing nothing.
bushwa
QUOTE (Dessalines @ Aug 28 2008, 08:28 AM) *
... If you don't like the exact same candidate,...



Yup. Personally, I'd like to beat Biden about the head with telephone books for his vote on the bankruptcy bill. But I have absolutely no trouble enthusiastically supporting him for VP.

If a politician, journalist or potential mate is saying PRECISELY what you want to hear, only reinforces all of your opinions and beliefs, and never or exceptionally rarely disagrees with you - and then only on minor matters - RUN! You are being lied to!



LibLaw
QUOTE (dula @ Aug 28 2008, 04:25 AM) *
Randi, your street cred totally went down for me today when I heard you reply to a caller who said he had heard that there was police brutality going on at the Convention. You said some crap like, "well, they are so sweet to me, somebody must have done something wrong for the police to have acted aggressively." Are you freakin' kidding me?!!!!
Just a word of advice. You seem to have the kind of personality flaw that causes you to become a doormat whenever status is dangled in front of your face. There you are at the Democratic Convention rubbing elbows with the elite...throughout the rest of the year it usually involves some celebrity like Willie Nelson...we have to hear you go on endlessly about how you rode in his bus and how Annie is your best friend...and how Melissa showed up and aren't you so cool to be friends with these people...and aren't you the best at what you do, and....I'm sure you can't help it, some sort of genetic flaw that comes with being Jewish but when your ego stops you from covering important topics on your show I feel it's my role in your life to snap you out of it because other than this flaw you have been, in the past, very important to changing this country for the better. The other issue of late is your fawning over Joe Biden. You claim to support the Working Classes, as does he, but fail to mention that Joe signed the Bankruptcy Bill designed as a handout to Credit Card Companies at the expense of struggling Americans. Then in his speech tonight he says we must stop Russia from acting out against Georgia as if Russia were the evil aggressors in this situation. You know better...perhaps you will inform your public.


Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Be sure you don't miss the door marked exit...
ChiffonBreath
I just got an email from Debi Richter, Code Pinker out of Phili, pA, she got work from Code Pinker Jean Stevens
National Media Coordinator, CODEPINK Women for Peace.

Stevens says "Alicia Forrest, who was arrested Tuesday, was released from the Denver City
Jail Tuesday night and is fine! A bit bruised, but fine. She has been out
and about. She is talking with her attorney about filing charges. She's
surprised about the incident, since the police had been relatively friendly
to her up until that point.
YAY CODEPINK!
"
RoyPDX
QUOTE (Randys @ Aug 28 2008, 08:20 AM) *
that can be arranged


thank you.
ChiffonBreath
dula, dula, dula, bo boola
bananafana fana fo foola
fe fi fo meuwla
dula!
leftysergeant
QUOTE (textynn @ Aug 27 2008, 08:05 PM) *
I watched that video and that cop shoved that woman down so hard I couldn't believe it. He is extremely lucky she didn't break anything because that shove was ruthless. He's lucky she was a young woman. Many people couldn't take an attack like that without breaking something. That man should be removed from the force immediately. To shove a little tiny woman down like that in the street was brutal. She was no threat to him. She was jabbering at him and he totally let himself go into women degrading brutality. He is not fit to do the job and criminal charges should be made. Any good cop knows that a little woman can't be brutalized like a big dangerous man for no good reason.


Total BS.

I work in riot control training on occassion. The cop's actions were exactly as prescribed in the situation.

On the YouTube video of the incident, posted by Rocky Mountain news, one can clearly hear the police warning on a bullhorn "Move away from the vehicle," as someone was being taken into custody. The police had formed a perimeter, and the woman was advancing on that perimeter.

The officer had his hands on both ends of the baton, at about rib-cage level. He extended his arms and shoved her back.

This sort of stroke distributes the impact as widely as feasible. Having pushed her back, the officer remained in formation. He did not strike her, nor offer to strike her or any witness outside of arms' reach.

One is taught, in such operations, to consider anyone advancing on the police line without clear authority to do so a threat.

That she is a small female does not diminish the threat. In one operation in which I worked, I was tasked to approach a riot line with a female standing about five nothing and weighing about 120. When we attempted to breach the line, I took a baton across the chest just like the code Pink woman got. Stunning but not injurious. The female with me dropped to the ground and nearly got under the line.

After they pushed us back, we withdrew, and, about fifty feet away, she turned around to taunt the troops with two M-16 mags and ten linked rounds of SAW ammo.

This is not as bad as it looks. There is good reason for the cop to act as he did. Whacking her again with a one-handed grip would have been assault.

Does anyone know who was being arrested and why? She could have appeared to the cops to be associated with the detainee. Good reason to see her as a threat.

When she was grabbed at the end of the clip, she was pointing to the police line while talking to an aggitated group. She may have appeared to them to be trying to incite an attack on the police. Again, they had reason to view her as a threat.

There are people in Denver to cause trouble. PUMA and Alex Jones are good enough reason for the cops to feel threatened.

This is not what it appears to be from either side. Stuff is going to happen when you stick your nose into what the cops are doing.
leftysergeant
QUOTE (Dessalines @ Aug 28 2008, 08:28 AM) *
There is enough that we agree on to take a lifetime to accomplish but people would rather bitch about what we do not agree on and end up doing nothing.


If we agreed among ourselves on everytthing we would be Republicans.
Faade
Hey Sarge. Two words: Rodney King.

Was HIS nose poking into the affairs of cops too?

I'm objective, but will not be blinded by a badge shine or a uniform thrown in front of me. People with cameras are the real threat to brutal cops.

Randys
QUOTE (leftysergeant @ Aug 28 2008, 02:48 PM) *
If we agreed among ourselves on everytthing we would be Republicans.

looks way over the line for me and I am pretty moderate when it comes to these issues...i can usually see both sides, not this time

but oh well
leftysergeant
Prior to getting shoved back, she was being restrained by at least one person. She is heard saying something like "I won't do it again, but she advances on the police line.

I would have figured her for a nut job myself. The cop used the only means at his disposal to make sure that that was as far as she went. She had been told not to advance, but advanced. The cop made no further move on her.

Later, she is whining about someone being arrested, obviously not knowing why, and advancing somewhat toward the police line. The responding officers took her by the arm, but were not seen abusing her further as they took her into custody. She was dressed strangely, and she was agitated. She was carrying objects that looked like they could have been used as weapons. That pink bullhorn in her hand has to weight at least a couple pounds. Nice club in close quarters.) I rthink the cops showed some restraint. Certainly more than she did. Shge should have backed down. When someone gets blocked like that and still thinks she can push her way to the front, it is a good indication that she is not ammenable to reason.
Hammerhead
Yeah, I can see your point. She could have had a nuclear device in her mini-skirt.

I disagree with your assesment, I think the cop used excessive force, knocking her to the ground rather than being firm and maintaining his perimeter.

There was no crowd threatening the perimeter, and it was not a riot situation.

textynn
OK I don't know what " Contempt of Cop" means and Im not saying he shouldn't have arrested her. But he was over the top brutal. I know cops have to make split second decisions and they can't wait too long either. I think anyone who deals with dangerous people knows that you only give a person a certain amount of space and I think if you want to get technical she may have crossed that line.

However, he was three times her size and he should have just arrested her like they did after she got up and started talking. This is what is wrong with having police act like soldiers. I truly feel that there is no need to police people to this degree.

Where is the footage of people really abusing and giving credence to what amounts to a standing army on the front lawn of the convention. People are pissed off. I give you that. But people just want to be seen by their law makers and their media. And nothing people do merits media coverage for citizens who are protesting and suffering in America.

If we weren't being so censored by mainstream media people wouldn't be showing up in public yelling. I know Code Pink was there for the Democrats so these are not people angry with the party. They are there to participate and nothing they do is covered. You watch it on tv and the average people outside are shown as gangsters, hooligans, crazy people. The news camera angles always make it impossible to read the signs people hold. All they show is bad children not behaving like teacher says. They get no voice. FOX news is covering the convention. They are said to be turning down the volume on the cheers and showing as many tired and bored people as they can during speeches.

If we had real news they would give the protesters two seconds to send out a message. Show a couple of signs and say a sentence or two. But no. People don't get that. We don't get real news coverage We get the same sound bites completely tooled from the White House 999 times a day. This country is being screwed blue and tattooed by current job and economic policy and then they are being told that they are losers if they need services and they can't even see a damn doctor. People are at the breaking point and they know it. But this administration prefers to soak us for all our resources, and completely silence us, and then pay millions of dollars weekly on standing armies to control us. Less government my ass. They just want to be the ones throwing us all into their private jails and charging whats left of government 20 times the cost to own your ass literally.

However we need to keep this Convention sacred and Randi probably didn't see the video yet. It is important we don't allow the Repubs to take control of our messages so everybody needs to be on their best behaviors and find ways to outsmart the oppressors of our people. They are dumb. They lie. It's how they do business. The ones that lie the best, like Giuliani at the DNC, saying Obama is going to spend a ton of money, are the ones that prove their loyalty by demonstrating that they are ready, willing, and able to be sociopathic liars on tv, in front of God and everybody,. ..esp. God.


P.S. I got a bad feeling that Giuliani is going to be VP. It's like he is trying to prove just how much he's willing to tell bald face lies , as MCCain has already done. Something motivated him to get up there and tell one lie after another at the DNC of all places. This is like gang hazing. You gotta go out and prove your a gangster first. Or in the Republicans case how much of a heartless lying slave master monster you are willing to be. Don't let the old man faces fool ya, these guys want to suck your blood and your kid's too. BLOOD = WEALTH for these guys.
Morgan
QUOTE (Claystation @ Aug 27 2008, 04:43 PM) *
I'm sure this is an isolated event.

From everything I've heard from all my friend that work in downtown Denver, the police are out in force but are mostly doing what's right.


We seem to be seeing many more isolated incidents these days. People are being assaulted for any kind of dissent or public speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWjSOVDyUJ4
Morgan
QUOTE (leftysergeant @ Aug 28 2008, 09:10 PM) *
Prior to getting shoved back, she was being restrained by at least one person. She is heard saying something like "I won't do it again, but she advances on the police line.

I would have figured her for a nut job myself. The cop used the only means at his disposal to make sure that that was as far as she went. She had been told not to advance, but advanced. The cop made no further move on her.

Later, she is whining about someone being arrested, obviously not knowing why, and advancing somewhat toward the police line. The responding officers took her by the arm, but were not seen abusing her further as they took her into custody. She was dressed strangely, and she was agitated. She was carrying objects that looked like they could have been used as weapons. That pink bullhorn in her hand has to weight at least a couple pounds. Nice club in close quarters.) I rthink the cops showed some restraint. Certainly more than she did. Shge should have backed down. When someone gets blocked like that and still thinks she can push her way to the front, it is a good indication that she is not ammenable to reason.


No, no, no, no. Our country is clearly becoming a viscious police state ...the police are being trained to assault people, then turn around and arrest the victims for 'police assault'. It's sick and its WRONG!

THIS IS WHY WE NEED CAMERAS PRESENT.
Morgan
QUOTE (leftysergeant @ Aug 28 2008, 05:34 PM) *
Total BS.

I work in riot control training on occassion. The cop's actions were exactly as prescribed in the situation.

On the YouTube video of the incident, posted by Rocky Mountain news, one can clearly hear the police warning on a bullhorn "Move away from the vehicle," as someone was being taken into custody. The police had formed a perimeter, and the woman was advancing on that perimeter.

The officer had his hands on both ends of the baton, at about rib-cage level. He extended his arms and shoved her back.

This sort of stroke distributes the impact as widely as feasible. Having pushed her back, the officer remained in formation. He did not strike her, nor offer to strike her or any witness outside of arms' reach.

One is taught, in such operations, to consider anyone advancing on the police line without clear authority to do so a threat.

That she is a small female does not diminish the threat. In one operation in which I worked, I was tasked to approach a riot line with a female standing about five nothing and weighing about 120. When we attempted to breach the line, I took a baton across the chest just like the code Pink woman got. Stunning but not injurious. The female with me dropped to the ground and nearly got under the line.

After they pushed us back, we withdrew, and, about fifty feet away, she turned around to taunt the troops with two M-16 mags and ten linked rounds of SAW ammo.

This is not as bad as it looks. There is good reason for the cop to act as he did. Whacking her again with a one-handed grip would have been assault.

Does anyone know who was being arrested and why? She could have appeared to the cops to be associated with the detainee. Good reason to see her as a threat.

When she was grabbed at the end of the clip, she was pointing to the police line while talking to an aggitated group. She may have appeared to them to be trying to incite an attack on the police. Again, they had reason to view her as a threat.

There are people in Denver to cause trouble. PUMA and Alex Jones are good enough reason for the cops to feel threatened.

This is not what it appears to be from either side. Stuff is going to happen when you stick your nose into what the cops are doing.


Well, if you're a fellow fascist, then of course you wouldn't point your finger at the assaults done by the police. Police provoking confrontations...FBI informants dressed as anarchists provoking police....

LOL...very cushy set up.

Denver gets mo mo mo money for next years black heliocopters and SWAT budgets. Even when city funds are dwindling with our dying economy..the friggin police will make damn sure THEY are not the ones losing their jobs.

"HOORAH..Let's go bust some heads!"
LilaTheGreat
QUOTE (RandiLover @ Aug 27 2008, 03:50 PM) *
I have known people who were police. One was my martial arts instructor, very cocky, very confident, and if you do something wrong they are so in your ass. Everyone is a perp, they are on the lookout for them 24-7. They are an elite group and know it. They are under soo much scrutiny, testing, and see the ugly side of life way too often. They have a very dangerous job and an attitude. All you have to do is show them respect and it will change their whole demeanor. Show them disrespect and they will be watching for a mistake, and you will be hating life.

You make a good point, but the cocky cops are usually not the confident ones, they are the ones who LACK confidence.

They are ARROGANT.

A confident person has the moral fortitude to know the proper thing to say to defuse a potential hostile situation.
A confident officer has the skills to subdue hostility through effective communication.

Matrix1984
QUOTE (Dessalines @ Aug 28 2008, 11:28 AM) *
Well said. You have articulated something that I have been feeling for a long time. Frankly, I think it is the all or nothing flash in the frying pan mentality of many on the left that has allowed this fascist ideology to take root in this country. If you don't like the exact same candidate, like the exact music, eat exactly what someone says you should eat then you are evil. We have a tendency to alienate and litmus test ourselves into tiny irrelevant tribes to impotent to do anything but complain from the sidelines. I for one am tired of it. There is enough that we agree on to take a lifetime to accomplish but people would rather bitch about what we do not agree on and end up doing nothing.

[b]AMEN! I thought that progressive liberal democrats accepted diversity...another myth. banghead.gif
textynn
QUOTE (Morgan @ Aug 28 2008, 10:37 PM) *
Well, if you're a fellow fascist, then of course you wouldn't point your finger at the assaults done by the police. Police provoking confrontations...FBI informants dressed as anarchists provoking police....

LOL...very cushy set up.

Denver gets mo mo mo money for next years black heliocopters and SWAT budgets. Even when city funds are dwindling with our dying economy..the friggin police will make damn sure THEY are not the ones losing their jobs.

"HOORAH..Let's go bust some heads!"

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[size="4"][/size]I have been attacked before and I know from personal experience that you can dump a person down so hard and hurt them and cripple them. Esp. when you throw someone down with no warning. When a person falls quick without being able to break their fall and not protect face and shoulders it can be really bad and damaging. I know you young guys are strong and falling doesn't hurt, and you are quick, and when you fall you protect yourself. However, you can actually kill a person when you slam them to the ground like that. People kill small animals and children all the time in this way. Ask any battered woman, being thrown down is battery whether justified or not.
textynn
Watch this people. This scares the holy hell out of me. Seriously I think this story is beyond anything. This is abuse, degradation, and proof that people have no rights at all . That if you make one wrong move with a cop he can do anything he wants to you, hurt you, abuse you. There has to be probable cause for the cops to attack a woman like this. Their argument is that she didn't totally submit to abuse. This is sick sick sick. What scares me most is the sheriff is like ...this is okay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVJb_wkI7jk...feature=related

We are being expected to accept this as reasonable. This is not reasonable. It scares me. I can't even watch it. I watched it twice and that's it. It is too disturbing. There was no reason to do that to her even if they decided to arrest her. angry.gif
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