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Christine
QUOTE (scottymac54 @ May 16 2008, 10:11 PM) *
Okay, this is only my personal opinion, but it's because most of Obama's base is made up of wealthy white liberals who could most charitably be defined as self-hating, and ridden with white guilt.

Think about it. Such a base, that lives in a perpetual spirit of guilt over events they had no part in whatsoever, can easily be cajoled into repeatedly making contributions to Obama's campaign.

It's their act of contrition, whether they understand it as such, or not.


White guilt? and men vote for Hillary over sexist guilt?
LilaTheGreat
Barack is WHITE, too! How come no one mentions that ?

"No one" mentions this because: IMO, according to racist white people, if you have any "black" in you, then you are not "pure white", therefore "tainted" or black. Most of the racist types will disown anyone who has any "known" black in their bloodline.

Unlike the Indians, that will accept a person whose bloodline has as little as a 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32, 1/64, 1/128 etcetera, in it.(depending on the tribal law)
CowboySteve
QUOTE (ScottyMac54)
Okay, this is only my personal opinion, but it's because most of Obama's base is made up of wealthy white liberals who could most charitably be defined as self-hating, and ridden with white guilt.

Think about it. Such a base, that lives in a perpetual spirit of guilt over events they had no part in whatsoever, can easily be cajoled into repeatedly making contributions to Obama's campaign.

It's their act of contrition, whether they understand it as such, or not.

QUOTE (Christine @ May 29 2008, 06:10 AM) *
White guilt? and men vote for Hillary over sexist guilt?


Maybe it's like marlin fishing in a wading pool, but reading Scotty, I'm looking for the String of Truth attached to the Tampon of Anger that's clogging the Thread of.... - been flushed down the...this analogy ain't working.

Anyhow.

I was well-instructed in cynical political reality, when I watched the Desegregation of the Boston Public Schools in the 1970's.

Scotty's close to something, but not quite on it, yet.

Tolerance and intolerance fluctuates in its balance in a society, depending upon whether the poorer members of this society feel prosperous, or deficient.

When prosperity broadens its base, social tolerance also broadens. If there is enough prosperity for everyone, there is a great sense of beneficence among the people. However, when prosperity fades, people seek angrily for a cause. Frequently, the most easily apprehended cause is the other - Black, White, Hispanic, etc.

When the upper classes continue to experience prosperity but it begins to fade amongst the lower classes, such as during the 1970's, the "wealthy white liberals" - and the last word should be in double quotes, for they are not sincerely liberal - the wealthy attribute the conflict amongst the lower classes to their ignorance, for they do not have Ivy League educations, have not joined the right Eating Clubs, have not sailed with the wealthy of all skin color and racial derivation off the Hamptons, have not learned "true racial tolerance." Any racially-tinged slight against such folks as Dr. Condoleeza Rice in a board room would be looked upon as boorish, common.

In Boston, the wealthy educated white Establishment saw the conflict amongst the poor in Boston as a manifestation of ignorance. Surely these Micks and Negroes could get along, only if they could learn the rudiments of civilization! So bussing began energetically, between the Mick and Negro neighborhoods - carefully avoiding the wealthy (White) neighborhoods such as Brookline and Canton. Although geographically closer to the neighborhoods of the poor, why - THEY weren't the problem, in Brookline - THEY had been to college, so there was no need to participate so, so - energetically - in the solution, to have their children go to school with Micks or Negroes - which of course they did anyway - why, wasn't Dr. so-and-so's wife of Irish descent? See? Hating - yes. SELF-hating? NO.

During this time, it was emphatically acknowledged that no manner of force brought to bear upon the enlightenment of the ignorant poor was too strong - it was, after all, their social education that was at stake.

The general point is, there was no "Liberal Guilt" involved. The wealthy had already been enlightened, at Choate and Stanford, Phillips and Harvard. It was the - lumpens - that were really the problem.

The true racism in the board-room is always displaced upon another group less affluent. See how, in Southern California, the Blacks and Hispanics still don't get along? Why can't they understand rudimentary democratic principles, and just behave? say the folks in Beverly Hills and Malibu. It's so easy! Why, we are friends with Holly Berry, and don't even think twice about such dreadful things as race!

There are lots of pieces of this diatribe that will infuriate folks. However, there's a nugget of the anger that I hear, that will be whipped up during this election for malign purposes - about the fury among Americans for whom the American Dream is rapidly fading - and how the cause will be subtly diverted upon the OTHER, that DIFFERENT family down the street or across the tracks - for that is what is always done, THAT is what is taught at Choate and Stanford, Phillips and Harvard.

'say?
carmenjonze
QUOTE (CowboySteve @ May 29 2008, 05:49 AM) *
[See how, in Southern California, the Blacks and Hispanics still don't get along?


Still?

No, this is a new phenomenon. When I was growing up in Southern CA, I was the band dork, one of few Blacks at, say, my jr high school. I had protection from the gang girls and NOBODY messed with me, even though I was this band geek/bookworm. That's just one personal anecdote.

Another would be all the mixed-race Black/Latino people running around. I think a lot of this Black/Latino divide is news-driven, similar to the Black/Jewish divide.
scottymac54
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ May 29 2008, 07:39 PM) *
Still?

No, this is a new phenomenon. When I was growing up in Southern CA, I was the band dork, one of few Blacks at, say, my jr high school. I had protection from the gang girls and NOBODY messed with me, even though I was this band geek/bookworm. That's just one personal anecdote.

Another would be all the mixed-race Black/Latino people running around. I think a lot of this Black/Latino divide is news-driven, similar to the Black/Jewish divide.

Ever heard of Crown Heights? Or Lakewood?
carmenjonze
QUOTE (scottymac54 @ May 29 2008, 04:55 PM) *
Ever heard of Crown Heights? Or Lakewood?


Hey I heard a vote for Obama is a vote for burkhas on women.

Is that true?
gutterballz
QUOTE (scottymac54 @ May 29 2008, 07:55 PM) *
Ever heard of Crown Heights? Or Lakewood?


please tell of your experiences of crown heights or lakewood
gutterballz
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ May 29 2008, 09:57 PM) *
Hey I heard a vote for Obama is a vote for burkhas on women.

Is that true?


Of course it's true he's one of them there MUSLIMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
carmenjonze
QUOTE (gutterballz @ May 29 2008, 07:04 PM) *
please tell of your experiences of crown heights or lakewood



One gets the sense it will be one like those hundreds of thousands of "affirmative action" complaints, where somebody's step brothers' girlfriend's babysitter's cousin twice removed had his seat at Harvard taken by a BLACK.
scottymac54
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ May 29 2008, 10:09 PM) *
One gets the sense it will be one like those hundreds of thousands of "affirmative action" complaints, where somebody's step brothers' girlfriend's babysitter's cousin twice removed had his seat at Harvard taken by a BLACK.

As I suspected. You know nothing of the situations of which you speak, unless it's in your own little hood.

Got it.

Thank you for your candor.
gutterballz
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ May 29 2008, 10:09 PM) *
One gets the sense it will be one like those hundreds of thousands of "affirmative action" complaints, where somebody's step brothers' girlfriend's babysitter's cousin twice removed had his seat at Harvard taken by a BLACK.


LOL
pestone
You know, I've not yet heard of anyone saying they wouldn't vote for a Bi-racial man for president. Maybe there's hope yet! Get the word out to the crazy crackers he's not all black! rofl.gif
gutterballz
QUOTE (pestone @ May 29 2008, 10:15 PM) *
You know, I've not yet heard of anyone saying they wouldn't vote for a Bi-racial man for president. Maybe there's hope yet! Get the word out to the crazy crackers he's not all black! rofl.gif

who u callin cracka LOL
Christine
QUOTE (CowboySteve @ May 29 2008, 06:49 AM) *
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Maybe it's like marlin fishing in a wading pool, but reading Scotty, I'm looking for the String of Truth attached to the Tampon of Anger that's clogging the Thread of.... - been flushed down the...this analogy ain't working.

Anyhow.

I was well-instructed in cynical political reality, when I watched the Desegregation of the Boston Public Schools in the 1970's.

Scotty's close to something, but not quite on it, yet.

Tolerance and intolerance fluctuates in its balance in a society, depending upon whether the poorer members of this society feel prosperous, or deficient.

When prosperity broadens its base, social tolerance also broadens. If there is enough prosperity for everyone, there is a great sense of beneficence among the people. However, when prosperity fades, people seek angrily for a cause. Frequently, the most easily apprehended cause is the other - Black, White, Hispanic, etc.

When the upper classes continue to experience prosperity but it begins to fade amongst the lower classes, such as during the 1970's, the "wealthy white liberals" - and the last word should be in double quotes, for they are not sincerely liberal - the wealthy attribute the conflict amongst the lower classes to their ignorance, for they do not have Ivy League educations, have not joined the right Eating Clubs, have not sailed with the wealthy of all skin color and racial derivation off the Hamptons, have not learned "true racial tolerance." Any racially-tinged slight against such folks as Dr. Condoleeza Rice in a board room would be looked upon as boorish, common.

In Boston, the wealthy educated white Establishment saw the conflict amongst the poor in Boston as a manifestation of ignorance. Surely these Micks and Negroes could get along, only if they could learn the rudiments of civilization! So bussing began energetically, between the Mick and Negro neighborhoods - carefully avoiding the wealthy (White) neighborhoods such as Brookline and Canton. Although geographically closer to the neighborhoods of the poor, why - THEY weren't the problem, in Brookline - THEY had been to college, so there was no need to participate so, so - energetically - in the solution, to have their children go to school with Micks or Negroes - which of course they did anyway - why, wasn't Dr. so-and-so's wife of Irish descent? See? Hating - yes. SELF-hating? NO.

During this time, it was emphatically acknowledged that no manner of force brought to bear upon the enlightenment of the ignorant poor was too strong - it was, after all, their social education that was at stake.

The general point is, there was no "Liberal Guilt" involved. The wealthy had already been enlightened, at Choate and Stanford, Phillips and Harvard. It was the - lumpens - that were really the problem.

The true racism in the board-room is always displaced upon another group less affluent. See how, in Southern California, the Blacks and Hispanics still don't get along? Why can't they understand rudimentary democratic principles, and just behave? say the folks in Beverly Hills and Malibu. It's so easy! Why, we are friends with Holly Berry, and don't even think twice about such dreadful things as race!

There are lots of pieces of this diatribe that will infuriate folks. However, there's a nugget of the anger that I hear, that will be whipped up during this election for malign purposes - about the fury among Americans for whom the American Dream is rapidly fading - and how the cause will be subtly diverted upon the OTHER, that DIFFERENT family down the street or across the tracks - for that is what is always done, THAT is what is taught at Choate and Stanford, Phillips and Harvard.

'say?


OK...I get what you are saying...but I'm just a working class white woman with a college education (Community College but lot's of great classes and credits)...I'm no Ivy League sorority sister...I read, I interact with people...I work in healthcare...raised 3 kids on my own...and I am voting for Obama based on his campaign, his policies and his vision for the future...like MANY other people! I don't see a lot of "white guilt"...I just don't get it. I am not voting for the man because he's black any more than i would vote for the woman because she is female...and I'm not alone. Of course I expect them to let some demon out of the bottle to try to tarnish Obama...but there are just too many of us "regular" people this time around to sit down for it again. I do BELIEVE that we can make a difference this time if we just get out and vote....The Ivy League folks may be "out of their league" this time around...
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Christine @ May 29 2008, 07:44 PM) *
OK...I get what you are saying...but I'm just a working class white woman with a college education (Community College but lot's of great classes and credits)...I'm no Ivy League sorority sister...I read, I interact with people...I work in healthcare...raised 3 kids on my own...and I am voting for Obama based on his campaign, his policies and his vision for the future...like MANY other people! I don't see a lot of "white guilt"...I just don't get it. I am not voting for the man because he's black any more than i would vote for the woman because she is female...and I'm not alone. Of course I expect them to let some demon out of the bottle to try to tarnish Obama...but there are just too many of us "regular" people this time around to sit down for it again. I do BELIEVE that we can make a difference this time if we just get out and vote....The Ivy League folks may be "out of their league" this time around...


Yeah, they're cooking up some Michelle Obama two minute hate for that, I think.
zatoichi
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ May 29 2008, 04:09 PM) *
One gets the sense it will be one like those hundreds of thousands of "affirmative action" complaints, where somebody's step brothers' girlfriend's babysitter's cousin twice removed had his seat at Harvard taken by a BLACK.


It is not nice to make light of the inbred. Not nice at all.
CowboySteve
QUOTE (Christine)
Of course I expect them to let some demon out of the bottle to try to tarnish Obama...but there are just too many of us "regular" people this time around to sit down for it again. I do BELIEVE that we can make a difference this time if we just get out and vote....The Ivy League folks may be "out of their league" this time around...


THIS is why Dr. King caught the round in 1968. Preaching to the Black folks, that's been done before. Preaching to the poor folks of every color - WWJD? - well....

QUOTE (MLK)
There is at the outset a very obvious and almost facile connection between the war in Vietnam and the struggle I, and others, have been waging in America. A few years ago there was a shining moment in that struggle. It seemed as if there was a real promise of hope for the poor -- both black and white -- through the poverty program. There were experiments, hopes, new beginnings. Then came the buildup in Vietnam, and I watched this program broken and eviscerated, as if it were some idle political plaything of a society gone mad on war, and I knew that America would never invest the necessary funds or energies in rehabilitation of its poor so long as adventures like Vietnam continued to draw men and skills and money like some demonic destructive suction tube. So, I was increasingly compelled to see the war as an enemy of the poor and to attack it as such.
Perhaps the more tragic recognition of reality took place when it became clear to me that the war was doing far more than devastating the hopes of the poor at home. It was sending their sons and their brothers and their husbands to fight and to die in extraordinarily high proportions relative to the rest of the population. We were taking the black young men who had been crippled by our society and sending them eight thousand miles away to guarantee liberties in Southeast Asia which they had not found in southwest Georgia and East Harlem. And so we have been repeatedly faced with the cruel irony of watching Negro and white boys on TV screens as they kill and die together for a nation that has been unable to seat them together in the same schools. And so we watch them in brutal solidarity burning the huts of a poor village, but we realize that they would hardly live on the same block in Chicago. I could not be silent in the face of such cruel manipulation of the poor.
Now, it should be incandescently clear that no one who has any concern for the integrity and life of America today can ignore the present war. If America's soul becomes totally poisoned, part of the autopsy must read: Vietnam. It can never be saved so long as it destroys the deepest hopes of men the world over. So it is that those of us who are yet determined that America will be are led down the path of protest and dissent, working for the health of our land.
So they go, primarily women and children and the aged. They watch as we poison their water, as we kill a million acres of their crops. They must weep as the bulldozers roar through their areas preparing to destroy the precious trees. They wander into the hospitals with at least twenty casualties from American firepower for one Vietcong-inflicted injury. So far we may have killed a million of them, mostly children. They wander into the towns and see thousands of the children, homeless, without clothes, running in packs on the streets like animals. They see the children degraded by our soldiers as they beg for food. They see the children selling their sisters to our soldiers, soliciting for their mothers.
What do the peasants think as we ally ourselves with the landlords and as we refuse to put any action into our many words concerning land reform? What do they think as we test out our latest weapons on them, just as the Germans tested out new medicine and new tortures in the concentration camps of Europe? Where are the roots of the independent Vietnam we claim to be building? Is it among these voiceless ones?

We have destroyed their two most cherished institutions: the family and the village. We have destroyed their land and their crops. We have cooperated in the crushing of the nation's only noncommunist revolutionary political force, the unified Buddhist Church. We have supported the enemies of the peasants of Saigon. We have corrupted their women and children and killed their men.
Somehow this madness must cease. We must stop now. I speak as a child of God and brother to the suffering poor of Vietnam. I speak for those whose land is being laid waste, whose homes are being destroyed, whose culture is being subverted. I speak for the poor of America who are paying the double price of smashed hopes at home, and death and corruption in Vietnam. I speak as a citizen of the world, for the world as it stands aghast at the path we have taken. I speak as one who loves America, to the leaders of our own nation: The great initiative in this war is ours; the initiative to stop it must be ours.
If we continue, there will be no doubt in my mind and in the mind of the world that we have no honorable intentions in Vietnam. If we do not stop our war against the people of Vietnam immediately, the world will be left with no other alternative than to see this as some horrible, clumsy, and deadly game we have decided to play. The world now demands a maturity of America that we may not be able to achieve. It demands that we admit that we have been wrong from the beginning of our adventure in Vietnam, that we have been detrimental to the life of the Vietnamese people. The situation is one in which we must be ready to turn sharply from our present ways. In order to atone for our sins and errors in Vietnam, we should take the initiative in bringing a halt to this tragic war.
The war in Vietnam is but a symptom of a far deeper malady within the American spirit, and if we ignore this sobering reality...and if we ignore this sobering reality, we will find ourselves organizing "clergy and laymen concerned" committees for the next generation. They will be concerned about Guatemala and Peru. They will be concerned about Thailand and Cambodia. They will be concerned about Mozambique and South Africa. We will be marching for these and a dozen other names and attending rallies without end, unless there is a significant and profound change in American life and policy.

And so, such thoughts take us beyond Vietnam, but not beyond our calling as sons of the living God.

In 1957, a sensitive American official overseas said that it seemed to him that our nation was on the wrong side of a world revolution. During the past ten years, we have seen emerge a pattern of suppression which has now justified the presence of U.S. military advisors in Venezuela. This need to maintain social stability for our investments accounts for the counterrevolutionary action of American forces in Guatemala. It tells why American helicopters are being used against guerrillas in Cambodia and why American napalm and Green Beret forces have already been active against rebels in Peru.
It is with such activity in mind that the words of the late John F. Kennedy come back to haunt us. Five years ago he said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." Increasingly, by choice or by accident, this is the role our nation has taken, the role of those who make peaceful revolution impossible by refusing to give up the privileges and the pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investments. I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin...we must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.
link.

There's plenty more - but that is enough to show you, if you touch the Third Rail, you Pay the Price.


Time's up.
Gatekeeper
QUOTE (Christine @ May 29 2008, 07:44 PM) *
OK...I get what you are saying...but I'm just a working class white woman with a college education (Community College but lot's of great classes and credits)...I'm no Ivy League sorority sister...I read, I interact with people...I work in healthcare...raised 3 kids on my own...and I am voting for Obama based on his campaign, his policies and his vision for the future...like MANY other people! I don't see a lot of "white guilt"...I just don't get it. I am not voting for the man because he's black any more than i would vote for the woman because she is female...and I'm not alone. Of course I expect them to let some demon out of the bottle to try to tarnish Obama...but there are just too many of us "regular" people this time around to sit down for it again. I do BELIEVE that we can make a difference this time if we just get out and vote....The Ivy League folks may be "out of their league" this time around...

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Well done.....or Just Maybe I should have said....MEDIUM. The truth is "usually found" somewhere toward the middle of the road-- that is , a road Not well taken. The well worn road carries the ruts of convention, and fear- thus the pull away from the "unknown".

I am still learning to be "human" and it's not that easy, depending on which side of the road you happen to be on, at the time. The idealist is hated by all sides, but loved for the thought brought to the table. That is, if we are all still "learning" to get along. Hate and fear come in varied shades. Sex, Race, credentials of opportunity, and experience play differently IMO depending on where you are on this path. That's why I usually read a lot, gradually enter a conversation or activity, in order to test the "spirits within the group".

I, as all here, have my own set of fears and burdens to try and ascend! Anyone who says otherwise, is fooling themselves. It's the trying that defines us as human, or the lack there of---not the sex, race, Credentials or experiences we can muster and offer up. The older one gets, the easier it is to stay put, not change. The more we TRY to ascend a life giving tree, the easier it is to see the path below. dry.gif

Both democratic candidates have shown their "metal". Both candidates have provided us with a "glimpse" of what they hold dear, and also what they might fear. Each has provided a collage, a tapestry of characteristics, that goes beyond what the speech writers and aides have provided. All we need to do is , look carefully at the product, give it the ole "smell test" and then Squeeze! The product is either, under ripe, ripe, or overly ripe---not to mention where that piece has been; not Male or female, black , bi-racial or white!

We try to simplify what is NOT easily seen. Thus the need for a smell-squeeze test. This is for the whole ball of Yarn, but not for the cats.

We need to "weave something" with life and equality; protection laced with perseverance; something of INTEGRITY and something with definite Accountability. We need to have a "coat of MANY colors , and shapes and textures", not to cover a few, a special grouping, etc. but to cover this entire nation of many. For we are America. Or have we taken our eyes off the yarn? We need peace!

Stop the dissension/haterd! It goes nowhere, and keeps the fires of war and corporate greed burning bright. We need to come together as we never have, and put our lusts aside. We need all, every one of us at this table, if CHANGE is really Going to happen. PEACE B&S, not BS! hmmmm

May I suggest, a little more thought and foresight; a little less barbs with whit and a "big tablespoon of honey" to make the medicine go down easier. Kindness goes a loooooog way. It's the first and most important step in diplomacy!

Enough said.

And, Please Forgive me! I am not well heeled in prose or quips. I take a lot longer to make a point, than most of you! I ask for your patience, and hopefully your respect; my own idiosyncrasies, and short comings get in the way! And they become obvious, i am sure. Thank you! rolleyes.gif
bushwa
QUOTE (goldbrick @ May 16 2008, 03:12 PM) *
He is probably more white than black, having been raised by his white mother and white grandparents.



Just want to note that this putz never to post again. He or she has returned on occasion to see how their thread is doing, but not another post. Is there any reason a boycott of this thread would be ill-advised? I'd sure like to see that subject line fade into obscurity, only to be found on occasion by some newbie who is exploring.

What do you say? Boycott?



jewellthief
QUOTE (visionari @ May 16 2008, 07:16 PM) *
Same thing I often wonder.
But there are (at least) two components to your identity. There is who you see yourself to be. And there is who others see you to be. (Kind of like with names: there's what you call yourself, there's what your family calls you, there's what your friends call you, there's what everybody else calls you.)
And in this country, if you look like Obama, you are black, regardless of your ancestry and who raised you or how you were reared. End of story.

co-sign....
jewellthief
QUOTE (Dessalines @ May 17 2008, 04:35 PM) *



The fascist who 'passed' for white

Lawrence Dennis was a leading light in the American fascist movement of the 1930s. He was a fan of Hitler and a self-avowed anti-semite. Now a new book reveals that he was actually black - although even his wife didn't know.





Given the manifest benefits of life on the other side of the colour line, black people who could pass as white often did, even though doing so meant cutting themselves off from their family and their past. Passing has provided the dramatic tension for many a novel, including Philip Roth's The Human Stain, Walter Moseley's Devil in a Blue Dress and, most pertinently, Nella Larsen's Passing. "Every year approximately 12,000 white-skinned Negroes disappear," Walter White, the former head of the civil rights organisation, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, claimed in the late 1940s. "People whose absence cannot be explained by death or emigration ... men and women who have decided that they will be happier and more successful if they flee from the proscription and humiliation which the American colour line imposes on them." White, who was light-skinned, used to pass himself as white at times when investigating lynch mobs in the South.

whoa.... interesting.... i guess if one is investigating lynch mobs, it would help to go 'undercover' as it were... wink.gif

wonder if someone is working on an update of these 'disappearing black americans'....

Ask-A-Chicano
QUOTE (goldbrick @ May 16 2008, 03:28 PM) *
He is probably more white than black, having been raised by his white mother and white grandparents.


Maybe he doesn't see it as an attribute.

I don't
Christine
Too funny!!! does Goldbrick get a free gameplay for starting this thread then bailing...with his first and only post? rofl.gif rofl.gif
known2b
QUOTE (Christine @ Aug 2 2008, 03:08 PM) *
Too funny!!! does Goldbrick get a free gameplay for starting this thread then bailing...with his first and only post? rofl.gif rofl.gif


Yea and the post is over 2 months old. But in any light, like the second poster said...Obama is a man first and foremost. The color of his skin is secondary.
SherriChardonnay
QUOTE (goldbrick @ May 16 2008, 05:28 PM) *
He is probably more white than black, having been raised by his white mother and white grandparents.


Thats true but what if he was still Just Barry and not popular would you know if he had any white heritage in him? Not saying you would care or pay attention to that...when most "folks" see him what do they see: brown skin.
gutterballz
QUOTE (SherriChardonnay @ Aug 2 2008, 06:42 PM) *
Thats true but what if he was still Just Barry and not popular would you know if he had any white heritage in him? Not saying you would care or pay attention to that...when most "folks" see him what do they see: brown skin.


unfortunately most don't look past skin tone

but

he looks like his mom biggrin.gif


gutterballz
QUOTE (Christine @ Aug 2 2008, 04:08 PM) *
Too funny!!! does Goldbrick get a free gameplay for starting this thread then bailing...with his first and only post? rofl.gif rofl.gif

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

carmenjonze
QUOTE (known2b @ Aug 2 2008, 02:00 PM) *
Yea and the post is over 2 months old. But in any light, like the second poster said...Obama is a man first and foremost. The color of his skin is secondary.


Not in this country.

If that was the case, this thread would not exist at all.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (SherriChardonnay @ Aug 2 2008, 03:42 PM) *
Thats true but what if he was still Just Barry and not popular would you know if he had any white heritage in him? Not saying you would care or pay attention to that...when most "folks" see him what do they see: brown skin.


You're getting at the DEEPEST, most PROFOUND ANXIETY of people who identify as "white" in this country -- that they themselves may not be as "white" as they want to believe. People like Obama remind them of that, every time he shows his pretty face on the tee vee.

I've said this about Obama before -- first, he looks like any other good-looking Black man in this country, in which Black people share the entire range of "brown skin" from Prince to Miles and everything in between. So-called "whites" do not care to acknowledge this BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS FACT, because a bunch of them are darker than some "Black people".

Second, and this is more important in my book, Obama, and a bunch of us have to tell so-called "whites" that we/they are "part white", because white people don't even know how to LOOK at us, much less talk to us as peers or any number of things. All they see is nigger.

This is the heart of whiteness in America: tying social and legal benefits to skin color when the same governments have defined "Black" by stupid, arbitrary, unmeasurables such as "one drop".

I think these "but he's half white too" conversations are hilarious, though sadly telling of just how backwards this country STILL is regarding race, after all these centuries.
Dessalines
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 2 2008, 08:31 PM) *
You're getting at the DEEPEST, most PROFOUND ANXIETY of people who identify as "white" in this country -- that they themselves may not be as "white" as they want to believe. People like Obama remind them of that, every time he shows his pretty face on the tee vee.

I've said this about Obama before -- first, he looks like any other good-looking Black man in this country, in which Black people share the entire range of "brown skin" from Prince to Miles and everything in between. So-called "whites" do not care to acknowledge this BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS FACT, because a bunch of them are darker than some "Black people".

Second, and this is more important in my book, Obama, and a bunch of us have to tell so-called "whites" that we/they are "part white", because white people don't even know how to LOOK at us, much less talk to us as peers or any number of things. All they see is nigger.

This is the heart of whiteness in America: tying social and legal benefits to skin color when the same governments have defined "Black" by stupid, arbitrary, unmeasurables such as "one drop".

I think these "but he's half white too" conversations are hilarious, though sadly telling of just how backwards this country STILL is regarding race, after all these centuries.


LOL. It use to be really tough on a suspect white person back in the day. America is much more international now. In the 1800s if you looked Middle Eastern or Persian you better be living near or reservation or speak Chowtaw or you would be classified as a negro. White people with kinky hair was an oxymoron. It was not cute. White man with afro = negro = being terrorized in your own country.
WinstonSmith6079
Why does no one mention his white heritage? Mostly because white people are boring. And bad dancers.

I'm white, but I'm sarcastic ... and gay - so that means I have rhythm.
Hamoth
QUOTE (goldbrick @ May 16 2008, 03:28 PM) *
He is probably more white than black, having been raised by his white mother and white grandparents.


He wrote a book about it. Race isn't something you can assign to people.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (goldbrick @ May 16 2008, 03:28 PM) *
He is probably more white than black, having been raised by his white mother and white grandparents.


Sure, next time he tries to catch a cab he should wear a clapboard saying "I'm more white than black...AND I'm going to the airport"

Come on, people. Get your shit together around this country's race hysteria.
Ask-A-Chicano
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 2 2008, 05:31 PM) *
I think these "but he's half white too" conversations are hilarious, though sadly telling of just how backwards this country STILL is regarding race, after all these centuries.


Just imagine how a full fledged minority feels looking up at a glass ceiling.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Ask-A-Chicano @ Aug 4 2008, 05:45 PM) *
Just imagine how a full fledged minority feels looking up at a glass ceiling.


What in the world is a full-fledged minority?

I already know what the glass ceiling is -- I've been looking at it for 40 years.
ATL404
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 4 2008, 08:47 PM) *
What in the world is a full-fledged minority?

I already know what the glass ceiling is -- I've been looking at it for 40 years.



Barack Obama is not African - American, nor he represents BLACK ™ America. He is not Black ™ like Carmenjonze and Jewellthief. He is the son of an African immigrant, his roots are not associated to US slavery like Ms Carmen Jonze's and Jewellthief's, and many other Black ™ in this messageboard.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (ATL404 @ Aug 4 2008, 06:17 PM) *
Barack Obama is not African - American,


Yes, he is.

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nor he represents BLACK ™ America. He is not Black ™ like Carmenjonze and Jewellthief.


How do you know what kind of Black™ I am??

No person represents BLACK AMERCIA.

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He is the son of an African immigrant, his roots are not associated to US slavery like Ms Carmen Jonze's and Jewellthief's, and many other Black ™ in this messageboard.


You assume a lot.

I am adopted and just got my mtDNA test a couple weeks ago, which claims I'm 47% Subsaharan African, 32% European and 21% American Indian, which is quite likely similarly proportional to my adoptive family. Most Black™ people in this country, in fact.

You can't possibly know the details of what my ancestry is because I don't even know that.

I have NO doubts that Obama has experienced the SAME things as any Black Person™ REGARDLESS of ancestry or national origin.
ATL404
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 4 2008, 09:25 PM) *
I have NO doubts that Obama has experienced the SAME things as any Black Person™ REGARDLESS of ancestry or national origin.


Many, many, a huge number of Blacks ™ can't even dream to go to Princeton or Harvard like Michelle and Barack Obama. Compared to the majority of Blacks ™ their lives have been so far, a walk in the park.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (ATL404 @ Aug 4 2008, 06:35 PM) *
Many, many, a huge number of Blacks ™ can't even dream to go to Princeton or Harvard like Michelle and Barack Obama. Compared to the majority of Blacks ™ their lives have been so far, a walk in the park.


Again, you assume a lot.

Being Black in this country is NEVER a walk in the park, regardless of class or educational status.

Those of us who got the grades, got the test scores, went to the good schools, got the good jobs, we stole all of that and are arrogant elitists...then we get the privelige :rolleyes" of being First Black whereever we go, STILL having to integrate these places. No, no walks in the park there.

Hate to have to say this ATL but you are talking above your pay grade.
jewellthief
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 4 2008, 09:39 PM) *
Again, you assume a lot.

Being Black in this country is NEVER a walk in the park, regardless of class or educational status.

Those of us who got the grades, got the test scores, went to the good schools, got the good jobs, we stole all of that and are arrogant elitists...then we get the privelige :rolleyes" of being First Black whereever we go, STILL having to integrate these places. No, no walks in the park there.

Hate to have to say this ATL but you are talking above your pay grade.

don't get me started on the 'first black' stage role... i'm about to play that tomorrow at my new job....

oh and even though she got good grades, got into the HBCU she wanted to attend, my niece is a suburbanite residing in a predominantly black suburb of klancinnati, and was STILL almost a victim of identity theft by some little chicken head that she passed by while at work.... one of these days i'll tell the tale.... tryin to figure out how to sue the department store....

did I mention the girl was white?

and regarding Sen. Obama, he considers himself black/african american, then that's who he is.... referring him as something else is no doubt an insult to him, and others that prolly feel the same way, and have similar lineage.... besides, don't think he'd be married to Michelle if he was 'more white than black' as some have said....
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carmenjonze
QUOTE (jewellthief @ Aug 4 2008, 08:51 PM) *
don't get me started on the 'first black' stage role... i'm about to play that tomorrow at my new job....


Yeah, EVERY job.

What year is this, again?

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oh and even though she got good grades, got into the HBCU she wanted to attend, my niece is a suburbanite residing in a predominantly black suburb of klancinnati, and was STILL almost a victim of identity theft by some little chicken head that she passed by while at work.... one of these days i'll tell the tale.... tryin to figure out how to sue the department store....

did I mention the girl was white?

and regarding Sen. Obama, he considers himself black/african american, then that's who he is.... referring him as something else is no doubt an insult to him, and others that prolly feel the same way, and have similar lineage.... besides, don't think he'd be married to Michelle if he was 'more white than black' as some have said.... laugh.gif


Yeah, it's that same "authenticity" b.s. that keeps coming up on this board.

I'm particularly amused that people think they can adivse us on our OWN EXPERIENCES, and that the standard for Authentic Blackness remains poor/ghetto, and anyone else is some kind of exception lol!
CowboySteve
Oh, and he's a Leo! With aries ascendent! WHY HASN'T ANYONE MENTIONED THAT NEITHER?
Dan-From-LA
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 4 2008, 07:27 AM) *
Sure, next time he tries to catch a cab he should wear a clapboard saying "I'm more white than black...AND I'm going to the airport"

Come on, people. Get your shit together around this country's race hysteria.



Exactly. And also our sexual hangups as well.
Dan-From-LA
QUOTE (ATL404 @ Aug 4 2008, 09:35 PM) *
Many, many, a huge number of Blacks ™ can't even dream to go to Princeton or Harvard like Michelle and Barack Obama. Compared to the majority of Blacks ™ their lives have been so far, a walk in the park.



What is this reference about: Blacks ™ ? This use of the "trademark" symbol. Curious as to what this is suppose to mean?
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Dan-From-LA @ Aug 4 2008, 09:21 PM) *
What is this reference about: Blacks ™ ? This use of the "trademark" symbol. Curious as to what this is suppose to mean?


She's trying to parody something I started, putting the ™ sign after people's stereotypical renderings and 1800s beliefs about The Blacks

carmenjonze
QUOTE (Dan-From-LA @ Aug 4 2008, 09:19 PM) *
Exactly. And also our sexual hangups as well.


Built in to the race hangups.
Dan-From-LA
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 5 2008, 12:49 AM) *
She's trying to parody something I started, putting the ™ sign after people's stereotypical renderings and 1800s beliefs about The Blacks



Merci, je comprends maintenant.
jewellthief
QUOTE (CowboySteve @ Aug 5 2008, 12:00 AM) *
Oh, and he's a Leo! With aries ascendent! WHY HASN'T ANYONE MENTIONED THAT NEITHER?


oh lawd, make him STOP!! rofl.gif
carmenjonze
QUOTE (jewellthief @ Aug 5 2008, 08:26 PM) *
oh lawd, make him STOP!! rofl.gif


Hey! Jewelthief!


What kind of Black are you?
Hamoth
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 4 2008, 08:57 PM) *
Yeah, EVERY job.

What year is this, again?



Yeah, it's that same "authenticity" b.s. that keeps coming up on this board.

I'm particularly amused that people think they can adivse us on our OWN EXPERIENCES, and that the standard for Authentic Blackness remains poor/ghetto, and anyone else is some kind of exception lol!


People think race is like breeds of dogs. You know, you can be half pit bull and half Yorkie or something. Of course, science has shut this notion down completely.
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