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bhusar
This was a reponse to a blog I wrote on my My Space page. If you want to read it go to www.myspace.com/brianhusar. Comment to him back:

Well my friend I understand your frustration. McCain's pick totally took the wind out of the Democratic sails.

Now let's talk experience. Barak was a state senator and now a National senator. What part of that experience reflects executive experience. For the past 4 years that Barak has been in Washington, what has he done? I know he's been running for president for over 18 months. Now Sarah Palin was on the City Counsel from 92-96 mayor from 97-02 and now Governor of Alaska. Clearly no experience at all. So if you are talking about Washington experience well then you are correct. She is not old Washington, she is a new player. Wasn't it Obama who was campaigning for change in Washington? Anyway she is not running for the President with her slim resume, she's running for Vice President. As Joe Biden points out "The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training." Man thank God the GOP Candidate has experience.

So attack a female candidate and complain that she was "ONLY" the Mayor of a small town. I mean we all know how your candidate feels about small towns.

"And it's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," -Barack Obama



LibLaw
QUOTE (bhusar @ Aug 31 2008, 12:48 AM) *
This was a reponse to a blog I wrote on my My Space page. If you want to read it go to www.myspace.com/brianhusar. Comment to him back:

Well my friend I understand your frustration. McCain's pick totally took the wind out of the Democratic sails.

Now let's talk experience. Barak was a state senator and now a National senator. What part of that experience reflects executive experience. For the past 4 years that Barak has been in Washington, what has he done? I know he's been running for president for over 18 months. Now Sarah Palin was on the City Counsel from 92-96 mayor from 97-02 and now Governor of Alaska. Clearly no experience at all. So if you are talking about Washington experience well then you are correct. She is not old Washington, she is a new player. Wasn't it Obama who was campaigning for change in Washington? Anyway she is not running for the President with her slim resume, she's running for Vice President. As Joe Biden points out "The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training." Man thank God the GOP Candidate has experience.

So attack a female candidate and complain that she was "ONLY" the Mayor of a small town. I mean we all know how your candidate feels about small towns.

"And it's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," -Barack Obama

Wipe it off and move on, that person isn't worth your time. There's no hope with people who lack common sense.
bhusar
It is gone....
LibLaw
QUOTE (bhusar @ Aug 31 2008, 01:11 AM) *
It is gone....

Your a better person for it. thumbsup.gif
danisnape
just compare their degrees.

She: bachelor's in journalism.

He: bachelor's in Political Science and a Law Degree from some place called Harvard.
JRunRun
Your friend is definitely falling for the talking points... kind of sad sad.gif but not worth the time of actually worrying about it smile.gif I don't even comprehend how they can talk about change with a McCain whitehouse.... impossible. puke.gif The truth with come out on the trails and in the debates.

“As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?"~Sarah Palin
pestone
"...took the wind out of the Democratic sails." Ha. Guess rightie doesn't know the boat's got a big-ass engine.
jkun17
QUOTE (danisnape @ Aug 30 2008, 10:28 PM) *
just compare their degrees.

She: bachelor's in journalism.

He: bachelor's in Political Science and a Law Degree from some place called Harvard.

Let's not forget writing for a little ditty called the Harvard Law Review while she was, literally, working hard at looking pretty.
brotherdavid
Geeze, that's funny. The Orange County Republican colleague and her husband whom I ran into at tonight's assignment in Long Beach find Governor Palin utterly ridiculous as a choice, "blatant media pandering" went the retired contractor husband, "We've got to volunteer and get out the Obama vote" went the retired teacher wife. Both think her unlikely to survive the debate, if indeed the convention. "She's under investigation!?!" said hubby, before again launching his sales pitch for the HBO special on voting machine hijacking of the electorate, while wife raved about how successful the DNCC was. And according to them, they're not alone in backing Obama/Biden. Registered Republicans. In Orange County. Meanwhile, Obama wisely put out an ad showing Palin with Grampy but neither naming nor attacking her, continuing to focus on Bush III. Yes, We Can, and Yes, We Are, and Yes, We Will.

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JRunRun
QUOTE (jkun17 @ Aug 31 2008, 12:21 AM) *
Let's not forget writing for a little ditty called the Harvard Law Review while she was, literally, working hard at looking pretty.



And don't forget, she was trying to become a sports commentator for ESPN! Hey... that's not an easy job.
brotherdavid
Relayed Deaction Dept.:

QUOTE (bhusar @ Aug 30 2008, 10:11 PM) *
It is gone....
But you're still here, hoorah.


QUOTE (LibLaw @ Aug 30 2008, 10:12 PM) *
Your a better person for it. thumbsup.gif
And sure the blog is too. thumbsup.gif


QUOTE (JRunRun @ Aug 30 2008, 11:55 PM) *
Your friend is definitely falling for the talking points... kind of sad sad.gif but not worth the time of actually worrying about it smile.gif I don't even comprehend how they can talk about change with a McCain whitehouse.... impossible. puke.gif The truth with come out on the trails and in the debates.
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Bingo, if not indeed, by default, at the RNCC, whenever it actually occurs. A lose-lose for the GOP, that situation, but I digress.


QUOTE (pestone @ Aug 31 2008, 12:03 AM) *
"...took the wind out of the Democratic sails." Ha. Guess rightie doesn't know the boat's got a big-ass engine.
And the blowing currents of 75 per cent of the U.S. public.


QUOTE (JRunRun @ Aug 31 2008, 01:12 AM) *
And don't forget, she was trying to become a sports commentator for ESPN! Hey... that's not an easy job.
's Hard Work!

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rrrocksmahsocks
She's the most qualified person in the world. She should be elected president of the universe!
brotherdavid
QUOTE (rrrocksmahsocks @ Aug 31 2008, 02:00 AM) *
She's the most qualified person in the world. She should be elected president of the universe!

The Miss Universe.

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bhusar
He was upset I deleated his comments so in order for him not to give me the whole "I thought liberals believed in free speech" argument I said, I wanted to make room for other comments and I deleated a bunch.
JRunRun
QUOTE (bhusar @ Aug 31 2008, 05:04 AM) *
He was upset I deleated his comments so in order for him not to give me the whole "I thought liberals believed in free speech" argument I said, I wanted to make room for other comments and I deleated a bunch.


Smart move... Free speech doesn't mean you have to be the bearer of his message.
NamelessGenXer
1) Executive Experience = building from nothing the leanest, meanest, most disciplined political machine ever seen, that took on the big bad Clintons and the Democratic Establishment, beat them and their own game, and is now poised to relegate the pathetic shell of the GOP to the last century, where it belongs along with good old boy ownership of elected officials and coat-hanger abortions.

Extra Added Bonus: The Obama Machine has done this without resorting to the despicable, gutter-sniping, scorched-earth, vicious personal attack strategy that is the only weapon left in the arsenal of the weakest, most pathetic, lying, cheating, pandering, presidential candidate in U.S. History in the person of John McCain (the only weapon beside the POW Card, that is.)

2) Evangelicals= The American Taliban By far, the most egregious aspect of this VP pick is that McCain, if victorious, will have placed a card-carrying member of the most dangerous lunatic religious cult on earth, the Christian Fundamentalists, within a heartbeat of seizing power. (Should this come to pass, I will not go quietly, and I am not alone.)


3) Big Picture Remind your "friend" that this is much bigger than electing Obama, it is about utter annihilation of the Neo-Con Fascist and EVILangelical Sponsored Blood-for-Oil Party and taking back the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial. Grampy-WhatsHerName are not up against Obama-Biden -- they are up against a coupla hundred million Americans who seek a return to reverence for The Constitution and the Rule of Law.

4) Wishful Thinking Maybe you can find a way to pipe Randi into the roach-infested basement of his parents' house where he lives, 24x7?
madasheck
QUOTE (JRunRun @ Aug 30 2008, 11:55 PM) *
Your friend is definitely falling for the talking points... kind of sad sad.gif but not worth the time of actually worrying about it smile.gif I don't even comprehend how they can talk about change with a McCain whitehouse.... impossible. puke.gif The truth with come out on the trails and in the debates.

“As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?"~Sarah Palin


That's my hope, too. That it'll all come out on the campaign trail. Talking points won't be the only thing people base their voting choices on. I hope.
LibLaw
QUOTE (danisnape @ Aug 31 2008, 01:28 AM) *
just compare their degrees.

She: bachelor's in journalism.

He: bachelor's in Political Science and a Law Degree from some place called Harvard.

She a sports caster in Alaska, he a social worker in Illinois. Who knows better what Americans need most.
RealLiberal1
QUOTE (bhusar @ Aug 30 2008, 11:48 PM) *
This was a reponse to a blog I wrote on my My Space page. If you want to read it go to www.myspace.com/brianhusar. Comment to him back:

Well my friend I understand your frustration. McCain's pick totally took the wind out of the Democratic sails.

Now let's talk experience. Barak was a state senator and now a National senator. What part of that experience reflects executive experience. For the past 4 years that Barak has been in Washington, what has he done? I know he's been running for president for over 18 months. Now Sarah Palin was on the City Counsel from 92-96 mayor from 97-02 and now Governor of Alaska. Clearly no experience at all. So if you are talking about Washington experience well then you are correct. She is not old Washington, she is a new player. Wasn't it Obama who was campaigning for change in Washington? Anyway she is not running for the President with her slim resume, she's running for Vice President. As Joe Biden points out "The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training." Man thank God the GOP Candidate has experience.

So attack a female candidate and complain that she was "ONLY" the Mayor of a small town. I mean we all know how your candidate feels about small towns.

"And it's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," -Barack Obama


You're going to convince your friend otherwise.
BTW... I agree with Obama's quote...
"And it's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,"
LibLaw
QUOTE (bhusar @ Aug 31 2008, 08:04 AM) *
He was upset I deleated his comments so in order for him not to give me the whole "I thought liberals believed in free speech" argument I said, I wanted to make room for other comments and I deleated a bunch.

Free speech only counts in public places. Anyone who would come in my house spouting that kind of junk would be shown the door. He has no free speech rights in your space.
plodder
A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he served as president of the Harvard Law Review, Obama worked as a community organizer and practiced as a civil rights attorney before serving in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. He taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. Following an unsuccessful bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2000, he announced his campaign for the U.S. Senate in January 2003. After a primary victory in March 2004, Obama delivered the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in July 2004. He was elected to the Senate in November 2004 with 70% of the vote.

As a member of the Democratic minority in the 109th Congress, he helped create legislation to control conventional weapons and to promote greater public accountability in the use of federal funds. He also made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. During the 110th Congress, he helped create legislation regarding lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for returned U.S. military personnel. After announcing his presidential campaign in February 2007, Obama emphasized withdrawing American troops from Iraq, energy independence, decreasing the influence of lobbyists, and promoting universal health care as top national priorities.

Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988 and at the end of his first year was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review based on his grades and a writing competition.[18] In his second year he was elected president of the Law Review, a full-time volunteer position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the law review's staff of 80 editors.[19] Obama's election in February 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review was widely reported and followed by several long, detailed profiles.[19] He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991 and returned to Chicago where he had worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.[18][20]

The publicity from his election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations.[21] In an effort to recruit him to their faculty, the University of Chicago Law School provided Obama with a fellowship and an office to work on his book.[21] He originally planned to finish the book in one year, but it took much longer as the book evolved into a personal memoir. In order to work without interruptions, Obama and his wife, Michelle, traveled to Bali where he wrote for several months. The manuscript was finally published as Dreams from My Father in mid-1995.[21]

Obama directed Illinois Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers that achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state, leading Crain's Chicago Business to name Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be.[22][23]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barak_Obama
Kane
It's a lost cause to use traditional arguments with your republican friend. Such arguments will fall on deaf ears. Instead, share with your friend what other republicans are saying about McCain and his selection of Palin.

QUOTE
From neoconservative, David Frum:

If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?

http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2V...DljMDc2NjliZDk=


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Shannen Coffin, former general counsel to Dick Cheney

The choice also says a lot about McCain. First, that he is a bit desparate. McCain likely thought it would be difficult to make a splash with a conventional Republican sidekick. Changing the subject from Thursday's Obama-thon would be difficult with Mit Romney or Kay Bailey Hutchinson (who would have been an awful choice anyway) by his side. The choice of Palin certainly gives us all something new to talk about. And she is fresh, smart (as far as I can tell from a brief time studying her), enthusiastic and energetic. But it is a bit of a political Hail Mary pass. Second, that he is one arrogant SOB. McCain is essentially telling the world that he doesn't really need a Vice President. It is hard to imagine Palin playing the same sort of role that modern Vice Presidents like Gore, Bush, Cheney, or Mondale played. Rather, the Office would seem poised to return to the "proverbial warm bucket of p***" category. McCain has thus made a purely political play without regard for the governance concerns. And how could he really have a good idea of how she would govern? My understanding is that he only met with her once before choosing her.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M...Dk4NDcwZjg4MDg=


NoYards
There is already two very "experienced executives" in the white House right now, fat lot of good "executive experience" does.

Palin has a small dose of Bush and Cheny's "executive experience" in treating the country as a corporation ... cutting expenses (wages and services) and increaing the profits for their share holders (corporate doners and lobbiests.)

IMO the less "executive experience" the president has the better.
Randys
plodder need link please
RealLiberal1
QUOTE (Randys @ Aug 31 2008, 11:44 AM) *
plodder need link please


I think it's from wiki..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
tompkr
she might be a grandma top that obama
jkun17
QUOTE (tompkr @ Aug 31 2008, 06:37 PM) *
she might be a grandma top that obama

With credentials like that how can you not vote for her?
RoyPDX
Let's face it, it was a really stupid, trivial selection. Certainly, the insane pick took "the wind out of the Democratic Convention's sails." But beyond next week? He could have accomplished the same thing by picking Paul Reuben (Peewee Herman). The democrat's job now is to show just how trivial the VP candidate is...how she lacks basic knowledge of the world, the very office she's selected to become, and a few dozen other nuts and bolts items.
Starbuck
QUOTE
The Miss Universe.


The GOP are headed down the same the route as their European fascists brothers in Italy by picking a beauty queen to run for office. I can here the GOP now toughting how good looking their "broads" are in comparison to the "libs".

I feel so warm and safe with a MILF ex-beauty queen a heartbeat away from the Presidency with the oldest nominee since Ronald Regan as her running mate.

Now that's leadership you can trust. tongue.gif
RoyPDX
QUOTE (Starbuck @ Aug 31 2008, 06:53 PM) *
The GOP are headed down the same the route as their European fascists brothers in Italy by picking a beauty queen to run for office. I can here the GOP now toughting how good looking their "broads" are in comparison to the "libs".

I feel so warm and safe with a MILF ex-beauty queen a heartbeat away from the Presidency with the oldest nominee since Ronald Regan as her running mate.

Now that's leadership you can trust. tongue.gif

So true, now we can look forward to this image burning in our minds:

egghead
So yeah, they're trying to prove Palin's "experience" now. That's just the first of many ways they'll use Palin, ending up sanctimoniously declaring Democrats as sexist.

Dowd hilariously ruminated on one of her guilty pleasures: imagining a "vauously spunky" chick flick movie: biggrin.gif

QUOTE
This chick flick, naturally, features a wild stroke of fate, when the two-year governor of an oversized igloo becomes commander in chief after the president-elect chokes on a pretzel on day one.

The movie ends with the former beauty queen shaking out her pinned-up hair, taking off her glasses, slipping on ruby red peep-toe platform heels that reveal a pink French-style pedicure, and facing down Vladimir Putin in an island in the Bering Strait. Putting away her breast pump, she points her rifle and informs him frostily that she has some expertise in Russia because it’s close to Alaska. “Back off, Commie dude,” she says. “I’m a much better shot than Cheney.”

Then she takes off in her seaplane and lands on the White House lawn, near the new ice fishing hole and hockey rink. The “First Dude,” as she calls the hunky Eskimo in the East Wing, waits on his snowmobile with the kids — Track (named after high school track meets), Bristol (after Bristol Bay where they did commercial fishing), Willow (after a community in Alaska), Piper (just a cool name) and Trig (Norse for “strength.”)

“The P.T.A. is great preparation for dealing with the K.G.B.,” President Palin murmurs to Todd, as they kiss in the final scene while she changes Trig’s diaper. “Now that Georgia’s safe, how ’bout I cook you up some caribou hot dogs and moose stew for dinner, babe?”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/opinion/...amp;oref=slogin

theoldcreak
Don't forget, Alaska is really near Russia!! huh.gif
toptier
QUOTE (bhusar @ Aug 31 2008, 08:04 AM) *
He was upset I deleated his comments so in order for him not to give me the whole "I thought liberals believed in free speech" argument I said, I wanted to make room for other comments and I deleated a bunch.



And you should say, "Yes I do, and I deem my speech freer than yours because this is my board. When you post comments on your board, I promise I won't erase any of them."

Besides, remind him that you're not the U.S. Congress, so you're not making any laws "abridging the freedom of speech."



toptier
One more comment on the idea that we're being "sexist" by attempting to "downplay" "her" "experience." (wow. It's not every day I get to use 3 fingerquotes in a row!)

Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that if Sarah Palin were TODD Palin that TODD PALIN would be on the ticket?

That if TODD PALIN'S "resume" were identical to Sarah's (without the added bonus of "beauty queen") would he even have been considered for the No. 2 spot?

Then get back to me on which camp is the "sexist" one.

RandiLover
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