At the current juncture as to the state of the USA, John McCain picks a person who's political experience is sorely lacking. It just goes to show how much John McCain cares about the problems facing the American people and the world at large. The Republicans truly have hit rock bottom with this Traditional pick and John McCain is not getting any younger folks. Basically McCain is saying, if he craps the bed, don't worry America, he's got the "Brownie" of VP picks and Palin will finish fucking up this country for GOP and me. So there...

How can they prance Palin out as a viable VP pick in the wake of all that has happened under their watch and massaging over the past 16 years? The Republican party is succinctly a party that does not have the American peoples best interest at heart...they are a collection of calculated, bumbling clowns and criminals...whom must be tossed out like so much trash.

I couldn't agree more, kernaljessup.

The selection of Sarah Palin is a harsh reminder of the kind of government that Bush and republicans have been providing for the past eight years. Alberto Gonzales, Harriet Miers, Michael “Brownie” Brown, Michael Chertoff, Monica Goodling and many others have become symbols of what is wrong with the republican administration. These individuals do not represent the best and brighest of what this country has to offer, rather they represent the disdain and disrespect republicans have for govenment and the people they're supposed to serve.

I concur Kane.

That is one vile collection of GOP jackasses you listed there.

Just some people who have or had less executive or in many cases legislative experience than Palin and these were presidents, not Vice Presidents, except for Obama yet and if:

George Washington
John Adams
James Madison
James Monroe
Zachary Taylor
Millar Filmore
Abraham Lincoln
Ulysses S. Grant
Chester Arthur
Grover Cleveland
Theodore Roosevelt
William Howard Taft
Woodrow Wilson
Calvin Cooledge
Herbert Hoover
Dwight D. Eisenhower
George H.W. Bush
Barrack Obama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_presidents

Same for Vice Presidents (when elected Vice President):

John Adams (George Washington)
John Calhoun (John Q. Adams and Andrew Jackson)
George Dallas (James Polk)
Millard Filmore (Zachary Taylor)
John Cabell Breckinridge (James Buchana)
William Almon Wheeler (Rutherford Hayes)
Chester Alan Arthur (James Garfield)
Adlai E. Stevenson (Grover Cleveland)
Levi Parsons Morton (Benjamin Harrison)
Adlai E. Stevenson (Grover Cleveland, 2nd term)
Garret Hobart (William McKinley)
James S. Sherman (William Taft)
John Calvin Coolidge Jr (Warren Harding)
Charles G. Dawes (Calvin Coolidge)
Henry A. Wallace (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
Spiro Theodore Agnew (Richard Nixon)
George Herbert Walker Bush (Ronald Reagan)


These VP list does not take into consideration that several presidents, for one reason or another, had no Vice Presidents

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_presidents

Impressive list but somehow I don't think we will EVER see Palins name on it!

the last 2 make my case!

You are missing the BIG PICTURE - the extreme lack of judgment McInsane has demonstrated has nothing to do with experience and everything to do with:

The American Taliban: One Heartbeat Away from Seizing Power

I would tend to agree.

I see you are making the rounds this morning.

Well you may be right. I am just pointing out the facts as they are and Palin has more experience that a lot of others previous to her. If she was a man, the attacks would be far less I'm sure.

If you are sure, you are obligated to back it up ... give a link ...

New rule
http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index...?showtopic=7477

If she were a man, she would not have been selected. This, I am sure.

This type of sentence is called ........... an opinion. An opinion that middleoftheroad is "sure" of.

AS such, he needs no link as proof ................. unless someone wants him to link to another like minded opinion ...................

Or.........it's an opinion that MOTR is sure will garner many responses.......even IF he doesn't hold that opinion personally.

MOTR is like an arsonist. He gets his jollies by starting fires then watching the commotion that ensues.

Sounds a little like "attempting to sow discord" to me, but........whatever.

cop-out ... hide behind opinions, to disrupt !

opinion .... a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.








sure ....

1. Physically secure and certain, non-failing, reliable.
2. convinced, fully persuaded, or positive

certainty ...


Just like to know, what basis you wing-nuts rely on "for sure ..."



"fully persuaded" ____________ by what ???

Especially in this discussion - where there was equal outcry when G.H.W. Bush put an equally, un-qualified Congressman up for VP.; passing over 100's more experienced - in domestic and international relations. The gender issue is an overreacton, to the manipulative element of nominating a woman, not because of qualifications - but to mainly draw [clueless, pissed] Hillary voters ! Your talking heads created this, slamming Hillary for months .... and are trying to project the bullshit back on the Democrats now.

Thanks Christine. Now I don't have to bother. You are funny.

McCain selects his VP choice on Friday. And the first question that many asked was, who is Sarah Palin? Fortunately we have a media which is ready and willing to interview Sarah Palin, and a campaign that wants to introduce Sarah Palin to the country.

And yet...here it is Sunday morning, and Sarah didn't make it to a single Sunday morning news show. No Brokaw. No Schieffer. No Stephanopolous. No Blitzer. No Wallace.

Strange how that is. Most politicians would jump at the opportunity to have a media sit down on the national stage to discuss their thoughts on a variety of issues. And most campaigns would be thrilled to have the free press coverage of their fresh VP nominee.

If McCain and his campaign and the GOP are as confident in Sarah Palin as they claim to be, doesn't it seem logical that they would be pushing to get her as much media exposure as possible? Her absence from the Sunday morning news shows is quite telling.

You're right....we would have Huckabee if you weren't.

It's a rare thing, but I agree with Ivy here...




Uh, that's OK....thanks, anyway.

Members are fully free to express opinions. Other members are also fully free to agree, disagree or take no side at all in the matter.

Can I assume that you do not agree with middleoftheroad's opinion?

If you don't agree with his opinion would I be free to request a link from you as "proof" as to why middleoftheroad's opinion is wrong?

Of course I'd be free to make such a request. Just as you would be perfectly free to ignore my inane (and theoretical) request of "proof" of an opinion.

As the old saying goes ............ Opinions are like ...................... we've all got them.

IMHO, McCain demonstrated terrible judgment and choked on selecting Palin. What does she know about issues outside of Alaska? Not bloody much! She a hockey mom in way over her head. I can only hope she "withdraws" her name by the end of the week.

RE: MOTR

I agree.

And so are message boards...they've all got them.

Is this a joke??? The founding fathers may not have had a resume, but dude... they're the founding fathers. They wrote the constitution and debated it…..Fought and died and negotiated to win our independence. The government was out of their dreams. This is a pathetic argument.

Most normal criteria for a careful selection process seem to have been disregraded by McCain and his team. For instance, it has been widely reported McCain has met Palin but once before announcing her as VP choice; and, it is not at all clear (as yet) as to when that meeting took place.

If we've learned one thing the last 8 years it is that competence matters in presidential decdision-makig. Spin or no spin, the McCain selection process was careless and all but thoughtless on all levels except naked political calculation.

Votes for Vaginas!!!!



Fookin' GREAT!!!

Or...as Sarah Vagina Presidential nominee would say:

"Kewl".

This is funnier than SNL of the 70's !

OK, I'll revise to "could" or "probably". Happy now?

Well if someone took that "sow discord" phrase to its ultimate, than any comment not in agreement of anothers comment could be considered. Please describe in detail the definition of "sow discord" as to be a violation of this board so that I make sure to follow the rules correctly. And is the "sow discord" policy only a one way street against non liberals? "personal attacks" are not allowed either, but I suppose you calling me a moron does not fall into that rule?

They went to the hurricane. Sounds more important to me. they have plenty of time to talk. If they are considering not even attending their own convention where they will be nominated, than appearing on sunday talk shows seems pretty unimportant.

Very few of these were founding fathers. How about the other 90%

All the women that I have spoken to think this is a gift to Obama. Yes, she brings out the christian conservative woman, but the intelligent professional woman is offended by this pick. Having a vagina does not make up for the fact that you stand against women's issues. It will make it more interesting to say the least. We are going to have a lot to talk about for sure.

I think I got a littlle too close to the truth there if your measured out response is any indication.

I don't recall ever calling you a moron. If I did, show me where and I'll apologize. (That being said, if I did call you a moron, I'm sure it was because you were behaving like one.)

Would someone tell McSame that VP is not short for Vagina Power?

Actually, I think McCain thinks it means Viagra Partner.

NO BACK IT UP, DON'T COP OUT, AGAIN ... You constantly disrupt ... and cower away from the discussion/s.






You asserted facts and refuse to back them up .....


emphasis added ....

New rule ...
... You must be able to provide accessible, linked sources for any information that you present as "fact" on the RRMB, if a member requests your source ...
http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index...?showtopic=7479



Not attacks, assesments of qualification - national, military and international.

We have some one in the Whitehouse now, who has similar "qualifications" ... and look where that has gotten US.

The quandary now is Obama/Biden vs. Sara .... Democratic/Republic vs. fundamentalist Fascism.

If we were to accept your [incomplete/illogical] assertions, they would also apply to Obama's experience.

this shows us what mc cain and the republicans stand for ......... nothing

Yeah, the politicization of a possible tragedy is far more important.

Strange how McCain is all so concerned about this hurricane, yet he wasn't concerned in the slightest about Katrina. Oh that's right, it's an election year.

Mc Pander - time .....


His voting record belies his concern :

McCain Myth Buster: John McCain and the Gulf Coast
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories....99604&EDATE=


McCain claims he "supported every investigation" into the government's role regarding the hurricane
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/ka..._kerfuffle.html


John McCain's Katrina Deception, Reveals Pattern of Distortions ...
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressReleas...008+PRN20080604



McCain Falsely Claims He Has ‘Supported Every Investigation’ Into Katrina Failures

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/04/mccain-katrina/


But consistent .... Mc Disingenuous !

republicanz don't kkkare 'bout dis kuntree...

Here are Stewart's and Colbert's responses respectfully:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Aj2w0OdiIM

Here's an e-mail I got from MoveOn.org about Palin

Dear MoveOn member,

Yesterday was John McCain's 72nd birthday. If elected, he'd be the oldest president ever inaugurated. And after months of slamming Barack Obama for "inexperience," here's who John McCain has chosen to be one heartbeat away from the presidency: a right-wing religious conservative with no foreign policy experience, who until recently was mayor of a town of 9,000 people.

Huh?

Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background:

* She was elected Alaska 's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.

1 Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.

2 She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000.

3 Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.

4 She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.

5 She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.

6 How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.

7 This is information the American people need to see. Please take a moment to forward this email to your friends and family.

We also asked Alaska MoveOn members what the rest of us should know about their governor. The response was striking. Here's a sample:

She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international scene that exists today. —Rose M., Fairbanks, AK

She is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska. —Christine B., Denali Park, AK

As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she claims to be. —Karen L., Anchorage, AK

Alaskans, collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that. She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated on the news. In our office of thirty employees (dems, republicans, and nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P. position.—Sherry C., Anchorage, AK

She's vehemently anti-choice and doesn't care about protecting our natural resources, even though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary. —Marina L., Juneau, AK

I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this position. I'm all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn't done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been better choices. This is a patronizing decision on John McCain's part- and insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he'll get our vote by putting "A Woman" in that position.—Jennifer M., Anchorage, AK

So Governor Palin is a staunch anti-choice religious conservative. She's a global warming denier who shares John McCain's commitment to Big Oil. And she's dramatically inexperienced.

In picking Sarah Palin, John McCain has made the religious right very happy. And he's made a very dangerous decision for our country.

In the next few days, many Americans will be wondering what McCain's vice-presidential choice means. Please pass this information along to your friends and family.

Thanks for all you do.

–Ilyse, Noah, Justin, Karin and the rest of the team

Sources:

1. "Sarah Palin," Wikipedia, Accessed August 29, 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

2. "McCain Selects Anti-Choice Sarah Palin as Running Mate," NARAL Pro-Choice America, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17515&id=1.....HU1fnsx&t=1

3. "Sarah Palin, Buchananite," The Nation, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17736&id=1.....HU1fnsx&t=2

4. "'Creation science' enters the race," Anchorage Daily News, October 27, 2006
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17737&id=1.....HU1fnsx&t=3

5. "Palin buys climate denial PR spin—ignores science," Huffington Post, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17517&id=1.....HU1fnsx&t=4

6. "McCain VP Pick Completes Shift to Bush Energy Policy," Sierra Club, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17518&id=1.....HU1fnsx&t=5

"Choice of Palin Promises Failed Energy Policies of the Past," League of Conservation Voters, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17519&id=1.....HU1fnsx&t=6

"Protecting polar bears gets in way of drilling for oil, says governor," The Times of London, May 23, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17520&id=1.....HU1fnsx&t=7

7 "McCain met Palin once before yesterday," MSNBC, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=21119&id=1.....HU1fnsx&t=8

It would be interesting if the MSM would ask McCain or Palin what her potential role would be. The response should be worth a couple of laughs.

...or panda bear sobs.

In the days prior to the Clintons speaking at the convention, the media kept harping on whether Bill and Hillary would offer "full-throated" endorsements of Barack Obama. Even moments after Hillary gave her speech endorsing Obama, there were some talking-heads that were picking away at every line, every phrase, and every word, trying desperately to find something that may suggest that Hillary might not be completely on board.

And yet, when John McCain introduced his VP nominee, he failed to provide an argument of how Sarah Palin is qualified to be VP. No mention of foreign policy strengths. No mention of how her unique skills will help turn the economy around. No mention of how Palin is supremely qualified for the position at all. One might even suggest that McCain failed to offer a "full-throated" endorsement of Sarah Palin.

Perhaps the MSM need to read the transcript to see how little McCain said about his VP selection.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...toryId=94116743

Dandy question, that.