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carmenjonze
Time to play the So What card wrt Sarah Palin.

So she has 5 kids...so what. WTF does that have to do with anything, especially given that she exploits them shamelessly.

So she had Trig knowing he would have Down's Syndrome...so what. People make similar decisions every day. And what kind of name is "Trig"?

So she's a "hockey mom" or soccer mom or security mom or wtfe. So what...so are millions of other American women.

So she's pretty. So what...so is Obama. Better-looking spouse, too.

So she's the first woman this and first woman that and blahblah.gif So what. The Mayor of East Podunkistan can join the club.

Just another worthless, useless, tokenized conservative woman.
RitaAnn
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 31 2008, 03:26 PM) *
And what kind of name is "Trig"?


Short for trichinosis?

One could argue, if they are a staunch conservative who believes in family values, that Mrs. Parlin should stay at home with her kids instead of playing footsy with the big boys in their big boys club. What if McSame dies and she's the one that has to answer the 3 a.m. phone call? What if she's nursing Trig at that hours? Then what? What becomes of her family values? Shame shame shame shame... pope.gif

She's anti-choice, anti-stem cell research, and wants creationism taught in schools. The bigger question is So what....happens if she became president?

McSame chose George W. Bush in a dress as his running mate. omg.gif

RoyPDX
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 31 2008, 12:26 PM) *
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So she had Trig knowing he would have Down's Syndrome...so what. People make similar decisions every day. And what kind of name is "Trig"?
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LOL Hockey Mom names! lol Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, Trig!
Wayne
I really don't care about Sarah Palin per se, at all. I hope she has a good life. What I care about is the possibility of electing a Presidential candidate with such poor judgment that he choose Palin to be his running mate. That, and the chance she would be thrust into a position of grave responsibility that she is in no way qualified for.

Spyderbyte
QUOTE (Wayne @ Aug 31 2008, 01:05 PM) *
I really don't care about Sarah Palin per se, at all. I hope she has a good life. What I care about is the possibility of electing a Presidential candidate with such poor judgment that he choose Palin to be his running mate. That, and the chance she would be thrust into a position of grave responsibility that she is in no way qualified for.


I hate the qualified arguement. Nobody's qualified. It's a matter of integrity. Case in Point... McCain. He's "qualified" But, He'll take this country down faster than Palin could ever dream of.
FanFiltration
QUOTE (RoyPDX @ Aug 31 2008, 04:03 PM) *
LOL Hockey Mom names! lol Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, Trig!


Well she LOVES guns, so could it be short for trigger?
Wayne
QUOTE (Spyderbyte @ Aug 31 2008, 01:11 PM) *
I hate the qualified arguement. Nobody's qualified. It's a matter of integrity. Case in Point... McCain. He's "qualified" But, He'll take this country down faster than Palin could ever dream of.


Why would you think McCain would take down the country faster than Palin? I understand that she's quite a bit more extreme right-wing and Christian fundamentalist than he is.
bhusar
Dobson likes her, and he is one of the reasons Bush won in 2004. But like my dad told me today (he has been in politics as a precent captain in Chicago and is for Obama and really thinks Obama is still going to win). Said I should have more confidance. I just get nervous that Rove and these people will take it away.
carmenjonze
Friends, can we please stop acting out of fear?

We do not have to be afraid of these a-holes, they are deathly afraid of us....And I intend on rubbing their nose in it, every chance I get.
Spyderbyte
QUOTE (Wayne @ Aug 31 2008, 01:35 PM) *
Why would you think McCain would take down the country faster than Palin? I understand that she's quite a bit more extreme right-wing and Christian fundamentalist than he is.


This is just a gut feeling. I know nothing of Palin. I just forsee McCain starting a (cold or otherwise) war with Iraq, Iran, Korea, and Russia.
I can't imagin anything worse
And, Extreme right wing and Christian has nothing to do with it. While I don't agree with anything they say. I do not like to lump people together like that. I know many Christian fundamentalists that know how to lead people responcibly.
McCain has lost his marbles. I'll take anybody other than McCain.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Spyderbyte @ Aug 31 2008, 02:30 PM) *
I know many Christian fundamentalists that know how to lead people responcibly.


Name one lol
merickson
In re: The VP selection

"My bucket of warm spit is better than your bucket of warm spit."
QBC
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 31 2008, 02:26 PM) *
Time to play the So What card wrt Sarah Palin.

So she has 5 kids...so what. WTF does that have to do with anything, especially given that she exploits them shamelessly.

So she had Trig knowing he would have Down's Syndrome...so what. People make similar decisions every day. And what kind of name is "Trig"?

So she's a "hockey mom" or soccer mom or security mom or wtfe. So what...so are millions of other American women.

So she's pretty. So what...so is Obama. Better-looking spouse, too.

So she's the first woman this and first woman that and blahblah.gif So what. The Mayor of East Podunkistan can join the club.

Just another worthless, useless, tokenized conservative woman.


Do you think Condi Rice is a token black conservative woman?
gutterballz
QUOTE (QBC @ Aug 31 2008, 05:35 PM) *
Do you think Condi Rice is a token black conservative woman?

the more important question

what do you think she is
TwinkleToes
QUOTE (Wayne @ Aug 31 2008, 01:35 PM) *
Why would you think McCain would take down the country faster than Palin? I understand that she's quite a bit more extreme right-wing and Christian fundamentalist than he is.



She's far more fundy than Grampy.....

Palin: Dominionist Stalking Horse


All I can say is.....ICKY!!
carmenjonze
QUOTE (QBC @ Aug 31 2008, 02:35 PM) *
Do you think Condi Rice is a token black conservative woman?


He says, tokenizing Condi Rice due specifically to race and gender.

This is known as "pandering", as you would not have thought to ask that question to what you thought was a white person.

Classic.
egghead
Just gotta say this veep pick is a Bush/McCain joke. And a joke made in very serious times.

They are such a noble tribe - these lying, cheating joksters with their snarky smiles - who laugh all the way to the bank on the backs of American taxpayers. That's THEIR audacity. And, yes, karma will be a big bitch.

edit:

Furthermore, Obama should only focus on Bush/McCain as he has been doing. McCain is trying like hell to distance himself away from Bush, but he can't. The record and facts stand on their own and Obama will deal the final punches to both McCain and Bush - not Sarah Palin.
CowboySteve
QUOTE (QBC @ Aug 31 2008, 03:35 PM) *
Do you think Condi Rice is a token black conservative woman?


No, and BTW, where the hell is she? The silence is mysterious.
CowboySteve
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 31 2008, 01:26 PM) *
.....So she's pretty. So what...so is Obama. Better-looking spouse, too...


Oh, and that spouse is PROBABLY more qualified to be Vice-President than all but a handful of candidates. She's Hillary Clinton, but smarter - you watch that lady, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama, JD. She might just be #2 on the one-two punch that will get the Clintons even more jealous.

She's not gonna get chewed up like Hillary did with healthcare. You watch, you watch.
textynn
I cant help but think she and MissThang Cindy will end up butting heads. Cindy is not going to be happy about her husband always hanging out with a younger woman. She will not allow herself to be demoted in anyway. I bet they hate each other before too long.
CowboySteve
QUOTE (textynn @ Aug 31 2008, 08:36 PM) *
I cant help but think she and MissThang Cindy will end up butting heads. Cindy is not going to be happy about her husband always hanging out with a younger woman. She will not allow herself to be demoted in anyway. I bet they hate each other before too long.


Naw. She don't have no beer. Ain't no threat with no beer.
JRunRun
QUOTE (RoyPDX @ Aug 31 2008, 01:03 PM) *
LOL Hockey Mom names! lol Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, Trig!


She got into journalism because she wanted to be a sportscaster.
martsmart
QUOTE (textynn @ Aug 31 2008, 07:36 PM) *
I cant help but think she and MissThang Cindy will end up butting heads. Cindy is not going to be happy about her husband always hanging out with a younger woman. She will not allow herself to be demoted in anyway. I bet they hate each other before too long.


I bet they hate each other already.

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RoyPDX
QUOTE (JRunRun @ Aug 31 2008, 07:43 PM) *
She got into journalism because she wanted to be a sportscaster.


And if I recall, she was for awhile. That's probably the REAL limit to her talent.
JRunRun
QUOTE (RoyPDX @ Aug 31 2008, 08:05 PM) *
And if I recall, she was for awhile. That's probably the REAL limit to her talent.


Probably... START THE DEBATES!
NamelessGenXer
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 31 2008, 03:26 PM) *
So she had Trig knowing he would have Down's Syndrome...so what. People make similar decisions every day. And what kind of name is "Trig"?


1) WhatsHerName made the choice to have her Down's Syndrome baby. The operative word being "choice".

2) I heard some talking head or another say that Trig is, indeed, short for Trigonometry, WhatsHerNames's favorite subject. No source on this but I'm sure it'll come out in the vetting proces--oh, snap!
RoyPDX
QUOTE (JRunRun @ Aug 31 2008, 08:07 PM) *
Probably... START THE DEBATES!

lol For once I'll quote Dubya: "bring 'em on."
shorebird
QUOTE (NamelessGenXer @ Aug 31 2008, 08:13 PM) *
1) WhatsHerName made the choice to have her Down's Syndrome baby. The operative word being "choice".

2) I heard some talking head or another say that Trig is, indeed, short for Trigonometry, WhatsHerNames's favorite subject. No source on this but I'm sure it'll come out in the vetting proces--oh, snap!

Trig because Trigonometry is something he will never understand? How mean is that?
NamelessGenXer
QUOTE (shorebird @ Aug 31 2008, 11:19 PM) *
How mean is that?

Lunatic Christian Dominionist Mean.
ctrl-z
So when did becoming the Governor of a state stop being a significant accomplishment?
RoyPDX
QUOTE (ctrl-z @ Aug 31 2008, 10:11 PM) *
So when did becoming the Governor of a state stop being a significant accomplishment?


When they started electing "hockey moms" to that position.
huffNpuff
QUOTE (ctrl-z @ Aug 31 2008, 11:11 PM) *
So when did becoming the Governor of a state stop being a significant accomplishment?



Friday 8/29/08
martsmart
QUOTE (huffNpuff @ Aug 31 2008, 10:17 PM) *
Friday 8/29/08


I would disagree, being out here in California.

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USA1
QUOTE (ctrl-z @ Sep 1 2008, 01:11 AM) *
So when did becoming the Governor of a state stop being a significant accomplishment?



When she served only 20 Months, has an Investigation going on and the people of Alaska are shaking their head saying WTF?

Especially when she went on TV saying "what does the VP do? I want to know before I accept that job"

or ... Obama's energy plan works for me ...

or ... I've been so busy taking care of the Alaskan people, I don't know what's going on Internationaly.

or ...

So many fuck up quotes.

WTF?

WTF?!??!??!??!??!???!????!?!!!!??!????!????!!?????!!!!

AND ...

WHO ???!???!????!!! (Is She) ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????//



ctrl-z
How to tell when you are repeating a talking point:

There is a 'cognitive dissonanace', a feeling that something isn't quite right. Compare what you are saying to things you have said in the past. Does it match up? Does it make sense?

If someone you generally disagree with said the same thing, would it still make sense to you?

Think about what you are saying. Who would benefit from what you are saying? Are you just repeating something you heard, but didn't think about?

Think about what you say. Only you can prevent talking points.
ctrl-z
QUOTE (martsmart @ Sep 1 2008, 12:19 AM) *
I would disagree, being out here in California.

smile.gif


lol. Yeah, you've got the Governator. Good point. laugh.gif
RoyPDX
QUOTE (ctrl-z @ Aug 31 2008, 10:28 PM) *
How to tell when you are repeating a talking point:

There is a 'cognitive dissonanace', a feeling that something isn't quite right. Compare what you are saying to things you have said in the past. Does it match up? Does it make sense?

If someone you generally disagree with said the same thing, would it still make sense to you?

Think about what you are saying. Who would benefit from what you are saying? Are you just repeating something you heard, but didn't think about?

Think about what you say. Only you can prevent talking points.

That's nice.
martsmart
QUOTE (ctrl-z @ Aug 31 2008, 10:36 PM) *
lol. Yeah, you've got the Governator. Good point. laugh.gif


Yup.

And we had Reagan, who went on to turn becoming president into an insignificant accomplishment.

smile.gif
RoyPDX
QUOTE (martsmart @ Aug 31 2008, 10:41 PM) *
Yup.

And we had Reagan, who went on to turn becoming president into an insignificant accomplishment.

smile.gif

lol and Reagan broke the "glass ceiling" for all the many folks suffering from senile dementia.
pestone
QUOTE (NamelessGenXer)
1) WhatsHerName made the choice to have her Down's Syndrome baby. The operative word being "choice".

Apparently with her, "choice" only cuts one way.
NamelessGenXer
QUOTE (ctrl-z @ Sep 1 2008, 01:11 AM) *
So when did becoming the Governor of a state stop being a significant accomplishment?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
carmenjonze
QUOTE (ctrl-z @ Aug 31 2008, 10:11 PM) *
So when did becoming the Governor of a state stop being a significant accomplishment?


Yeah, governing all 12 of them in Alaska.

Please.

Her nickname should be Killer/Driller.
martsmart
QUOTE (RoyPDX @ Aug 31 2008, 10:44 PM) *
lol and Reagan broke the "glass ceiling" for all the many folks suffering from senile dementia.


Hell, he did that running for Governor here in '66.

I was 15 and speaking out against "the old fool" then. (He was only 55 at the time, lol...)

My folks (FDR Democrats) HATED him.

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RoyPDX
QUOTE (martsmart @ Aug 31 2008, 10:53 PM) *
Hell, he did that running for Governor here in '66.

I was 15 and speaking out against "the old fool" then. (He was only 55 at the time, lol...)

My folks (FDR Democrats) HATED him.

smile.gif

Yeah, just a wild guess, but his sudden change of ideology in midlife sounds like a personal crisis.
CowboySteve
QUOTE (ctrl-z @ Aug 31 2008, 11:11 PM) *
So when did becoming the Governor of a state stop being a significant accomplishment?


When she stopped beating her husband
Seeker1
I can't believe they thought this woman would bring over the diehard PUMAs to their side.

If Hillary voters are going to be won over by a anti-choice, Christian dominionist, Buchanan-loving, gun-nut, drill-now-drill-forever woman with no foreign policy experience (even less than Hillary's), then the PUMAs are really just Operation Chaos Republicans, anyway. Or people who will vote for anything with ovaries, which is even more silly.

Why not put Phyllis Schafly on the ticket?






toptier
QUOTE (NamelessGenXer @ Aug 31 2008, 11:13 PM) *
2) I heard some talking head or another say that Trig is, indeed, short for Trigonometry, WhatsHerNames's favorite subject. No source on this but I'm sure it'll come out in the vetting proces--oh, snap!



I don't know about that, but here is a post from another board (a mom's board) that someone made when she saw the kids' names:

QUOTE
Her fricken kids are named after the television show Charmed.

Omgah Willow, Piper and Trig? wtf

How can she be Republican with names like that?

If she wasn't Republican I could swear she was a kindred Pagan tongue.gif

Or maybe she is like River Phoenix's parents and one of the "Family" Laughing

But let me say, my best friend for years online was named Willow, I don't have a problem with the name, but it's just funny to see a Republican with children which happen to have names off of Charmed.


I have to admit, I have no idea what "Charmed" is. I think it's a series about witches?

CowboySteve
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Sep 1 2008, 10:02 AM) *
I can't believe they thought this woman would bring over the diehard PUMAs to their side.

If Hillary voters are going to be won over by a anti-choice, Christian dominionist, Buchanan-loving, gun-nut, drill-now-drill-forever woman with no foreign policy experience (even less than Hillary's), then the PUMAs are really just Operation Chaos Republicans, anyway. Or people who will vote for anything with ovaries, which is even more silly.

Why not put Phyllis Schafly on the ticket?

Coz she's gonna get Biden in the ring, and he's gonna sweat...

CowboySteve
QUOTE (toptier @ Sep 1 2008, 10:19 AM) *
I don't know about that, but here is a post from another board (a mom's board) that someone made when she saw the kids' names:
I have to admit, I have no idea what "Charmed" is. I think it's a series about witches?


AHA! SHE'S A WITCH! BURN HER!

SHE HAD THE FIFTH CHILD TO COMPLETE THE UNHOLY PENTACLE!

BEWARE! BABY SACRIFICES IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!
egghead
QUOTE
Obama also allowed Hillary supporters to insert an absurd statement into the platform suggesting that media sexism spurred her loss and that “demeaning portrayals of women ... dampen the dreams of our daughters.” This, even though postmortems, including the new raft of campaign memos leaked by Clintonistas to The Atlantic — another move that undercuts Obama — finger Hillary’s horrendous management skills.

Besides the crashing egos and screeching factions working at cross purposes, Joshua Green writes in the magazine, Hillary’s “hesitancy and habit of avoiding hard choices exacted a price that eventually sank her chances at the presidency.”

It would have been better to put this language in the platform: “A woman who wildly mismanages and bankrupts a quarter-of-a-billion-dollar campaign operation, and then blames sexism in society, will dampen the dreams of our daughters.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/opinion/13dowd.html


Don't always agree with the Dowd, and she is half right here, about Hillary and mostly wrong about Obama. I think Hillary is ready to be and should be point person to stave off this Palin-play.

Moreover, I believe in the wisdom of Obama and Biden: McCain has chosen Palin based soley on ideology, and not taking into consideration whether Palin can serve on day one.

Whereas, Obama's #1 reason to pick Biden? Biden, CAN step in and be president at any time.
#2 reason to pick Biden? He wanted Biden's counsel, but he also wanted someone who would not be afraid to argue with him - Biden does not bite his tongue, and if Obama has any blind spots, there will be those surrounding him, I am sure (not just Biden) that can pick that up. Everyone needs help and one cannot be a leader without some degree of debate and having yes people all around you is self-defeating.

Apparently McCain will be just like Bush - yes people (owned too) all around the table - example - Palin.
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