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znarfk
Blogging this woman into mince meant is about the dumbest thing imaginable. By way of analogy, ever see what happens whena lawyer puts Granny on, even if she is a liar, and attacks her before her ways are fully established. The issue becomes he is a butthole and the liar gets off free to do her thing. She can win nothing only loose for mccain. that is if we can refrain from making people come to her rescue.
5by5
Are you aware your thread title makes no fucking sense?
LilaTheGreat
QUOTE (znarfk @ Sep 3 2008, 12:13 PM) *
Blogging this woman into mince meant is about the dumbest thing imaginable. By way of analogy, ever see what happens whena lawyer puts Granny on, even if she is a liar, and attacks her before her ways are fully established. The issue becomes he is a butthole and the liar gets off free to do her thing. She can win nothing only loose for mccain. that is if we can refrain from making people come to her rescue.

It's not because she is a woman znarfk, it is because she is a republican, hypocrite, gun-crazed, power hungry, zealot!
5by5
She was only PICKED because she is a woman. And a religious loon. And a conservative/corporate loyalist. And completely unqualified to do the job.

As Randi quite rightly asserted yesterday, those are Republican hiring practices and qualifications.

The CIA won't hire you? Why, you should be DIRECTOR of the CIA!

You have no experience in disaster management, but you suck up to the GOP like nobody's business? Run FEMA!

You are a twit with nice tits and blonde hair who graduated from a fundie school and has no knowledge of the Constitution? Why you should be picking out lawyers whose job it is to uphold the law you know nothing about!

You used to work for the very oil industry you're about to regulate? You should be head of the EPA!

You used to lobby for mine owners? Well let's put you in charge of ignoring mine safety!

You have no scientific qualifications whatsoever? Why you should be re-writing reports by NASA scientists!

You've would be able to identify an ethical act if one jumped up and bit you? Why you should head the Ethics Committee!

You don't believe in the science of global climate change even though all the world's reputable scientists are in consensus over it to a degree that never occurs in a field where certainty is such a rare thing? Why, you should be in charge of the Committee on the Environment!
LilaTheGreat
EXACTLY 5X5!
LilaTheGreat
aND SHE KNOWS HOW to cheat the government via pork barrel spending! yippy!
X-Ray-Spex
QUOTE (znarfk @ Sep 3 2008, 10:13 AM) *
Blogging this woman into mince meant is about the dumbest thing imaginable. (No it's not) By way of analogy, ever see what happens whena lawyer puts Granny on, even if she is a liar, and attacks her before her ways are fully established. The issue becomes he is a butthole and the liar gets off free to do her thing. She can win nothing only loose (lose) for mccain. (McCain's name doesn't merit capitalization tongue.gif ) that is if we can refrain from making people come to her rescue.


I don't know who's side your on but you know nothing about Liberals sir.

STFU!
TapDuncan
I gottat say this-- It's a vagina, not a clown car!!! Way off topic, but damn funny!!!
LilaTheGreat
Love the vagina!
SickupandFed
Other democrats get pissed when they see us as too NICE!

Somebody has to give as hard as we get. Since the candidate can't, some of us from down here on the ground HAVE TO. How dare McCain tell me what I can talk about! What issues I can raise!

This Shiite head said nothing while they drug Michelle through the mud for all that time. Obama doesn't want 527's, but the other side is using them. And most don't know where it's coming from they just know what they hear. Over and over again.

We've got 60 days and we can't depend on fairness from corp. media. Do we want to win or what. OP, This is about His judgment. And every one needs to know it.

OK our candidate says leave families out of it, fine. Judgment and decision making is fair game.

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NamelessGenXer
THIS PSYCHO-C*NT IS A LUNATIC RELIGIOUS EXTREMIST WHO MAKES BIN-LADEN LOOK LIKE BAMBI AND IS ON A MISSION TO TURN THIS CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC INTO A BLOODY THEOCRACY.

I HAVE ZERO SYMPATHY FOR THE CRAZY FUCK AND AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED SHE MUST BE EXPOSED FOR WHAT SHE IS 24x7

I WILL BE SCREAMING IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS UNTIL CLOSE OF POLLS ON NOVEMBER 4.


Sarah Palin: Dominionist Stalking Horse

New revelations re "stealth dominionist" Sarah Palin

Palin's Ties to Joel's List: Theocratic Sect Prays for Real Armageddon

Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

Palin asked the library how she could go about banning books.


I WILL NEVER SHUT UP ABOUT ANY OF THIS AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T READ IT.
Deke
QUOTE (LilaTheGreat @ Sep 3 2008, 01:19 PM) *
It's not because she is a woman znarfk, it is because she is a republican, hypocrite, gun-crazed, power hungry, zealot!

Ditto!

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karaplanet
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 3 2008, 01:30 PM) *
She was only PICKED because she is a woman. And a religious loon. And a conservative/corporate loyalist. And completely unqualified to do the job.

Excellent post, 5by5. Can anyone in their right mind say that they would have picked her if she was a he?
TapDuncan
NGNXer--I love it keep it coming. Hell knows Todd Palin does.
brotherdavid
Liberals heal!

Yes, we do, whereas dogs heel.
No wonder canines are confused.
They think we're telling them to fetch penicillin.

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SickupandFed
QUOTE (brotherdavid @ Sep 3 2008, 04:13 PM) *
Liberals heal!

Yes, we do, whereas dogs heel.
No wonder canines are confused.
They think we're telling them to fetch penicillin.

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Randys
Palin is a joke...well, she is a joke to mature, intelligent, reasonable, thoughtful, learned, individuals who want to preserve the constitution, our name around the world and justice and so on...

Palin isnt a joke to rabid anti choice, gay hating right wing, constitution hating, thinks the pledge was written by the founding fathers thinking, person..to them, she is wonderful...

cant imagine how anyone, could support or defend this choice unless they believe those same things that she does...????
TapDuncan
QUOTE (Randys @ Sep 3 2008, 03:23 PM) *
Palin is a joke...well, she is a joke to mature, intelligent, reasonable, thoughtful, learned, individuals who want to preserve the constitution, our name around the world and justice and so on...

Palin isnt a joke to rabid anti choice, gay hating right wing, constitution hating, thinks the pledge was written by the founding fathers thinking, person..to them, she is wonderful...

cant imagine how anyone, could support or defend this choice unless they believe those same things that she does...????


Is it possible, really possible, that stupidity is contagious? Because it seems that a lot of people have it. Someone call Pfizer, we need a drug. Oh, they wouldn't sell it, it helps them to keep people stupid.
znarfk
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 3 2008, 01:14 PM) *
Are you aware your thread title makes no fucking sense?

sorry, apply yourself, perhaps you might get it. If you don't it sort of makes my point
NamelessGenXer
QUOTE (TapDuncan @ Sep 3 2008, 04:13 PM) *
NGNXer--I love it keep it coming. Hell knows Todd Palin does.

Tap! You're KILLING me with that visual... thx a lot.


Oh and BTW, did I mention that what pisses me off even more is the fact that this psycho-c*nt is who that insane old man thinks is best for America, while totally missing the CHRISTO-FASCIST TARGET he has put on his own back?
znarfk
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 3 2008, 01:30 PM) *
She was only PICKED because she is a woman. And a religious loon. And a conservative/corporate loyalist. And completely unqualified to do the job.

As Randi quite rightly asserted yesterday, those are Republican hiring practices and qualifications.

The CIA won't hire you? Why, you should be DIRECTOR of the CIA!

You have no experience in disaster management, but you suck up to the GOP like nobody's business? Run FEMA!

You are a twit with nice tits and blonde hair who graduated from a fundie school and has no knowledge of the Constitution? Why you should be picking out lawyers whose job it is to uphold the law you know nothing about!

You used to work for the very oil industry you're about to regulate? You should be head of the EPA!

You used to lobby for mine owners? Well let's put you in charge of ignoring mine safety!

You have no scientific qualifications whatsoever? Why you should be re-writing reports by NASA scientists!

You've would be able to identify an ethical act if one jumped up and bit you? Why you should head the Ethics Committee!

You don't believe in the science of global climate change even though all the world's reputable scientists are in consensus over it to a degree that never occurs in a field where certainty is such a rare thing? Why, you should be in charge of the Committee on the Environment!

got less problem with. in fact no problem pointing out she is not qualified. you got good specifics. LET ME GIVE A LIFETIME OF EXPERIENCE AS A TRIAL LAWYER WHOSE JOB IT IS TO MAKE INDIVIDUALS VIABLE IN A CORPORATE CONTROLLED WORLD. YOU GO AFTER PEOPLE LIKE HER YES, BUT THINK OF IT AS IF YOU WERE AN ATTORNEY TRYING TO CONVINCE A JURY. START WITH WHAT YOU HAVE, SHE SEEMS NICE, SHE SEEMS TO HAVE ACCOMPLISHED ALL SHE CAN IN A SHORT TIME, SHE SEEMS LUCKY AS HEELL SHE IS AWASH IN CASH UNABLE TO MAKE A HARD OR DIFFICULT DECISION IN HER LIFE YET. NICE FAMILY, TO MNAY AMERICANS IN THE MAINSTREAM, HER CONSERVATIVE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ARE NOT OFFENSIVE, AND IF THEY ARE TO YOU, WHY LOOSE THAT GROUP SIMPLY BY ATTACKING THERE. GO AFTER HER GANGBUSTERS AND GUESS WHAT, YOUR JURY LOOKS FOR SOMETHING, NO MATTER HOW DUMB, TO RESCUE HER WITH. SO YOUR 20 GREAT POINTS GET EVENED OUT BY HER SELLING A PLANE OR SOME SIMPLE MINDED THING BUT THAT IS HUMAN NATURE. THE GOPERS ARE NOT STUPID, THEY KNOW HOW TO WIN WITH SHITE. THAT MAKES US STUPID, BECAUSE WE LOOSE WITH ALL THE ARGUMENTS IN OUR FAVOR. I TRY AND HAVE HUMILITY HERE BECAUSE WE CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER 2000 OR 2004. AND BY THE WAY THAT IS THE ATTACK IN MY OPINION. REMIND AMERICA TEH JOB IS ONE YOU MUST BE IMMENSLY QUALIFIED FOR, THEY TOLD US BUSH WAS. AMERICA KNOWS HEWAS NOT UP TO THE JOB, TO HARD FOR HIM. TO MUCH FOR HIM, SHE IS CUT OF THAT CLOTH STILL. UNQUALIFIED FOR THE HARDEST JOB ON EARTH CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER UNQUALIFIED LIKE BUSH. KEEP IT SIMPLE, STRING THA TTACKS TTITRATE THEM BUT BE NICE BECUSE SHE IS AND AN AMERICA FIRST SEEING HER HAS NOT BEEN CONVINCED SHE IS NOT YET
5by5
QUOTE (znarfk @ Sep 3 2008, 01:50 PM) *
sorry, apply yourself, perhaps you might get it. If you don't it sort of makes my point

"Liberals heal! attack McCain's judgement notA woman for being what she is."

Two words - Capitalization. Spacing.

Apply YOURSELF and learn "the English".

Brotherdavid already addressed the other problem.
Fellixe
Sorry. Tried to read it but then you went to all caps and I tuned out.
5by5
QUOTE (znarfk @ Sep 3 2008, 02:02 PM) *
got less problem with. in fact no problem pointing out she is not qualified. you got good specifics. LET ME GIVE A LIFETIME OF EXPERIENCE AS A TRIAL LAWYER WHOSE JOB IT IS TO MAKE INDIVIDUALS VIABLE IN A CORPORATE CONTROLLED WORLD. YOU GO AFTER PEOPLE LIKE HER YES, BUT THINK OF IT AS IF YOU WERE AN ATTORNEY TRYING TO CONVINCE A JURY. START WITH WHAT YOU HAVE, SHE SEEMS NICE, SHE SEEMS TO HAVE ACCOMPLISHED ALL SHE CAN IN A SHORT TIME, SHE SEEMS LUCKY AS HEELL SHE IS AWASH IN CASH UNABLE TO MAKE A HARD OR DIFFICULT DECISION IN HER LIFE YET. NICE FAMILY, TO MNAY AMERICANS IN THE MAINSTREAM, HER CONSERVATIVE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ARE NOT OFFENSIVE, AND IF THEY ARE TO YOU, WHY LOOSE THAT GROUP SIMPLY BY ATTACKING THERE. GO AFTER HER GANGBUSTERS AND GUESS WHAT, YOUR JURY LOOKS FOR SOMETHING, NO MATTER HOW DUMB, TO RESCUE HER WITH. SO YOUR 20 GREAT POINTS GET EVENED OUT BY HER SELLING A PLANE OR SOME SIMPLE MINDED THING BUT THAT IS HUMAN NATURE. THE GOPERS ARE NOT STUPID, THEY KNOW HOW TO WIN WITH SHITE. THAT MAKES US STUPID, BECAUSE WE LOOSE WITH ALL THE ARGUMENTS IN OUR FAVOR. I TRY AND HAVE HUMILITY HERE BECAUSE WE CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER 2000 OR 2004. AND BY THE WAY THAT IS THE ATTACK IN MY OPINION. REMIND AMERICA TEH JOB IS ONE YOU MUST BE IMMENSLY QUALIFIED FOR, THEY TOLD US BUSH WAS. AMERICA KNOWS HEWAS NOT UP TO THE JOB, TO HARD FOR HIM. TO MUCH FOR HIM, SHE IS CUT OF THAT CLOTH STILL. UNQUALIFIED FOR THE HARDEST JOB ON EARTH CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER UNQUALIFIED LIKE BUSH. KEEP IT SIMPLE, STRING THA TTACKS TTITRATE THEM BUT BE NICE BECUSE SHE IS AND AN AMERICA FIRST SEEING HER HAS NOT BEEN CONVINCED SHE IS NOT YET

And you're yelling....why?
5by5
And PS, my ass you're a trial lawyer.
RoyPDX
QUOTE (znarfk @ Sep 3 2008, 02:02 PM) *
LET ME GIVE A LIFETIME OF EXPERIENCE AS A TRIAL LAWYER WHOSE JOB IT IS TO MAKE INDIVIDUALS VIABLE IN A CORPORATE CONTROLLED WORLD.


You're a trial lawyer?

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Now:

QUIT SCREAMING!
carmenjonze
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 3 2008, 02:03 PM) *
"Liberals heal! attack McCain's judgement notA woman for being what she is."

Two words - Capitalization. Spacing.

Apply YOURSELF and learn "the English".


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OMG...so classic.
5by5
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Sep 3 2008, 02:07 PM) *
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OMG...so classic.

I aim to please. biggrin.gif
znarfk
QUOTE (RoyPDX @ Sep 3 2008, 05:07 PM) *
You're a trial lawyer?

smile.gif

Now:

QUIT SCREAMING!

Not a word about the post or it's intended message. did you agree, not agree and why. It is true, we loose every time saying but we had the better arguments. It is very clear to me, it is because there is something about our side that makes our abiity to persuade neglegable. I sometimes think, how really poorly would liberals fare if they had to defend the indefensible, like bush or his policies. could we get a candidate to even with Obama in polls or reletively competitive. No way! we got 80% of the nation saying they suck and can't break away. And we got lots of reasons for it but i know the real one. We argue poorly! We look at the issue narrowly and believe because it makes sense to us we persuaded another. the gopers, they don't belive anything they are saying, and it frees them to concentrate on saying what persuades no matter if it holds up under any type of scrutiny beyond the soundbite moment. That makes us dumb because our jobs are selling what makes sense, while gopers sell what is harmfull to all but the superrich. Your post makes my point perfectly. You attacked me about my stated career, without knowing, and right off the bat, your obnoxious guess is dead wrong. Rather than adress my post directly. what might you need citation to whose who in the world or whose who in america or in the law, all places you will find me. want to put a few thousand on it? after that, what is left of you but discredited. and you persuaded nobody. that remains my point
RoyPDX
QUOTE (znarfk @ Sep 3 2008, 02:29 PM) *
Not a word about the post or it's intended message. did you agree, not agree and why. It is true, we loose every time saying but we had the better arguments. It is very clear to me, it is because there is something about our side that makes our abiity to persuade neglegable.

[...]

Maybe if SOME of us learned to communicate in their (assumed) native language. The OP was incoherent and there's little to be said about it.
znarfk
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 3 2008, 05:08 PM) *
I aim to please. biggrin.gif

healthy women in control of thier own bodies dont get pregnant and require abortion of their child.I am not sure I support choice because there is anything noble in making a mistake that requires a doctor to kill a baby. I support it as one of two tragedies that must be chosen. I would hate to think the expereince liberating to anyone. To me that person needs help. It is a decision everyone I know who has gone through it is scarred by it. Or in the alternative had thier lives altered so much, they maybe lost a chance at a life.Anyway, I hate slogans celebrating it. If I got what you said misconstrued, so sorry, but that is how it reads
TapDuncan
OK, I AM now a proffessor of internationl; law. I also have naie opinyons on veryius legull postshuns. I caim heer preetending to be sum un I am knot. Eye sghuld be tackin seiouslie a bowt my posit shuns. I represent you opinion.
RoyPDX
QUOTE (TapDuncan @ Sep 3 2008, 02:41 PM) *
OK, I AM now a proffessor of internationl; law. I also have naie opinyons on veryius legull postshuns. I caim heer preetending to be sum un I am knot. Eye sghuld be tackin seiouslie a bowt my posit shuns. I represent you opinion.

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RoyPDX
QUOTE (znarfk @ Sep 3 2008, 02:37 PM) *
healthy women in control of thier own bodies dont get pregnant and require abortion of their child.I am not sure I support choice because there is anything noble in making a mistake that requires a doctor to kill a baby. I support it as one of two tragedies that must be chosen. I would hate to think the expereince liberating to anyone. To me that person needs help. It is a decision everyone I know who has gone through it is scarred by it. Or in the alternative had thier lives altered so much, they maybe lost a chance at a life.Anyway, I hate slogans celebrating it. If I got what you said misconstrued, so sorry, but that is how it reads

Thanks for the conservative talking points.

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NamelessGenXer
QUOTE (TapDuncan @ Sep 3 2008, 05:41 PM) *
OK, I AM now a proffessor of internationl; law. I also have naie opinyons on veryius legull postshuns. I caim heer preetending to be sum un I am knot. Eye sghuld be tackin seiouslie a bowt my posit shuns. I represent you opinion.


TapDuncan for President
NamelessGenXer
QUOTE (znarfk @ Sep 3 2008, 05:37 PM) *
healthy women in control of thier own bodies dont get pregnant and require abortion of their child.I am not sure I support choice because there is anything noble in making a mistake that requires a doctor to kill a baby. I support it as one of two tragedies that must be chosen. I would hate to think the expereince liberating to anyone. To me that person needs help. It is a decision everyone I know who has gone through it is scarred by it. Or in the alternative had thier lives altered so much, they maybe lost a chance at a life.Anyway, I hate slogans celebrating it. If I got what you said misconstrued, so sorry, but that is how it reads



karaplanet
QUOTE (TapDuncan @ Sep 3 2008, 05:41 PM) *
OK, I AM now a proffessor of internationl; law. I also have naie opinyons on veryius legull postshuns. I caim heer preetending to be sum un I am knot. Eye sghuld be tackin seiouslie a bowt my posit shuns. I represent you opinion.

Thanks, Tap! I was more than a tad peeved when I read that claptrap...until I saw your post. Now I just need to clean the keys...
LilaTheGreat
QUOTE (NamelessGenXer @ Sep 3 2008, 04:46 PM) *
TapDuncan for President

Of the department of Better Spelling!
NamelessGenXer
QUOTE (LilaTheGreat @ Sep 3 2008, 05:54 PM) *
Of the department of Better Spelling!


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znarfk
QUOTE (X-Ray-Spex @ Sep 3 2008, 03:47 PM) *
I don't know who's side your on but you know nothing about Liberals sir.

STFU!

I know bush beat us twice. I know we lost the first time to a man less qualifed than this woman palen and we had the best 8 years in history to run on.I know we are going to have one of the tightest contests ever, that did not need to be, because our candidate was selected because liberals viewed rejection of bush as embracing liberalism. These two things have absolutely no connection to each other. It still stands, till it changes, triangulating the far left out of the mix via a southern centrist ticket led to our only two time win in the 20th century absent a great depression.that is evidence of only one thing, we had the only formula ever proven to work for us and we decided to experiment.I think Obama is a great guy, belieives as I do, but when we selected him we went gambling. Those who supported him initially, and I hope they were visionaries I swear, prioritised other things above us winning as the formost concern.Now we wait to see how our most liberal ticket since the doomed McGovern ticket does. Granted, we have bush who has 80% of America hating him which makes Obama viable. And hey fellow liberal, if bush was at 49% teh gopers rightfully would be celebrating the easiest win they ever had. Ticket ballanced with left and furthur left. And here is another thing about knowing liberals, how many times have you died as a liberal waiting for biden to open his fat mouth. think that is all gone, in the past? I can promise in the debates, I will feel as comfortable as the oj Lawyers would have been listening to oj testify for days had they let him take the stand. Am I confident Biden will have what can be called a valuable win in the debate with this twit woman. NO WAY! He can find a way to let her in I promise.
Matrix1984
QUOTE (Fellixe @ Sep 3 2008, 05:04 PM) *
Sorry. Tried to read it but then you went to all caps and I tuned out.

Yea, all the shouting hurt my eyes. glare.gif
Matrix1984
QUOTE (znarfk @ Sep 3 2008, 05:29 PM) *
Not a word about the post or it's intended message. did you agree, not agree and why. It is true, we loose every time saying but we had the better arguments. It is very clear to me, it is because there is something about our side that makes our abiity to persuade neglegable. I sometimes think, how really poorly would liberals fare if they had to defend the indefensible, like bush or his policies. could we get a candidate to even with Obama in polls or reletively competitive. No way! we got 80% of the nation saying they suck and can't break away. And we got lots of reasons for it but i know the real one. We argue poorly! We look at the issue narrowly and believe because it makes sense to us we persuaded another. the gopers, they don't belive anything they are saying, and it frees them to concentrate on saying what persuades no matter if it holds up under any type of scrutiny beyond the soundbite moment. That makes us dumb because our jobs are selling what makes sense, while gopers sell what is harmfull to all but the superrich. Your post makes my point perfectly. You attacked me about my stated career, without knowing, and right off the bat, your obnoxious guess is dead wrong. Rather than adress my post directly. what might you need citation to whose who in the world or whose who in america or in the law, all places you will find me. want to put a few thousand on it? after that, what is left of you but discredited. and you persuaded nobody. that remains my point

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We can't read your posts! Use paragraphs and spacing. Your posts are a mess!
Randys
sumtimes, and i am not saying now, I am reminded of those people who walk past my office, screaming at the top of their lungs at nobody...

it is sad, sometimes you laugh only because it is human nature...but it is sad

cant imagine what made me think of that



wasnt it reagan that emptied all the insane asylums?
karaplanet
Okay. While I recognize the valid points that you raise in the midst of your rambling and shouting, you still strike me as a moderate fence sitter. Get over yourself with the left-wing thing. I won't even touch your mini-diatribe about 'choice', as I hate it when my nose smokes like that.

There is no better time to elect a visionary candidate like Obama. If the status quo of elections were in place for 2008, you might have a point. Gambling with Obama, you say? If not this year, then WHAT year can we possibly have the odds in our favor to get a transformational, progressive, positive, agent of change like Barack Obama elected?

This is our candidate.
This is our year.

The ludicrous choice of Palin knocks down their trembling house of cards.
All we have to do is show up, in our big, overwhelming numbers, and vote.

I have not felt this confident until today. Put away their balloons, party over.
carmenjonze
Paragraph breaks are your friend.
LilaTheGreat
Let me see if I can help ole znarfk clean this up......[quote name='znarfk' date='Sep 3 2008, 04:02 PM' post='134596']
got less problem with. in fact no problem pointing out she is not qualified. you got good specifics.

LET ME GIVE A LIFETIME OF EXPERIENCE AS A TRIAL LAWYER; WHOSE JOB IT IS TO MAKE INDIVIDUALS VIABLE IN A CORPORATE CONTROLLED WORLD.

YOU GO AFTER PEOPLE LIKE HER YES, BUT THINK OF IT AS IF YOU WERE AN ATTORNEY TRYING TO CONVINCE A JURY.

START WITH WHAT YOU HAVE,
SHE SEEMS NICE,
SHE SEEMS TO HAVE ACCOMPLISHED ALL SHE CAN IN A SHORT TIME,
SHE SEEMS LUCKY AS HEELL
SHE IS AWASH IN CASH UNABLE TO MAKE A HARD OR DIFFICULT DECISION IN HER LIFE YET.

NICE FAMILY, TO MNAY many AMERICANS IN THE MAINSTREAM,

HER CONSERVATIVE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ARE NOT OFFENSIVE, AND IF THEY ARE TO YOU, WHY LOOSElose THAT GROUP SIMPLY BY ATTACKING THERE.

GO AFTER HER GANGBUSTERS AND GUESS WHAT,
YOUR JURY LOOKS FOR SOMETHING,
NO MATTER HOW DUMB, TO RESCUE HER WITH.

SO YOUR 20 GREAT POINTS GET EVENED OUT BY HER SELLING A PLANE OR SOME SIMPLE MINDED THING
BUT THAT IS HUMAN NATURE.

THE GOPERS ARE NOT STUPID, THEY KNOW HOW TO WIN WITH SHITE.

THAT MAKES US STUPID, BECAUSE WE LOOSElose WITH ALL THE ARGUMENTS IN OUR FAVOR.

I TRY AND HAVE HUMILITY HERE BECAUSE WE CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER 2000 OR 2004.
AND BY THE WAY
THAT IS THE ATTACK IN MY OPINION.

REMIND AMERICA TEHthe JOB IS ONE YOU MUST BE IMMENSLY QUALIFIED FOR,
THEY TOLD US BUSH WAS.

AMERICA KNOWS HE WAS NOT UP TO THE JOB,
TO HARD FOR HIM.
TO MUCH FOR HIM,
SHE IS CUT OF THAT CLOTH STILL.

UNQUALIFIED FOR THE HARDEST JOB ON EARTH CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER UNQUALIFIED LIKE BUSH.

KEEP IT SIMPLE,
STRING THA TTACKS TTITRATE (???)

THEM BUT BE NICE BECaUSE SHE IS AND AN AMERICA FIRST SEEING HER HAS NOT BEEN CONVINCED SHE IS NOT YET!

LilaTheGreat
Okay, znarfk, watch and learn....I'll clean this one up for you too.


[quote name='znarfk' date='Sep 3 2008, 04:29 PM' post='134658']

Not a word about the post or it's intended message.
did you agree, not agree and why.

It is true, we loose every time saying but we had the better arguments.

It is very clear to me, it is because there is something about our side that makes our abiity to persuade neglegable. I sometimes think, how really poorly would liberals fare if they had to defend the indefensible, like bush or his policies.

could we get a candidate to even with Obama in polls or reletively competitive.

No way!
we got 80% of the nation saying they suck and can't break away.
And we got lots of reasons for it but i know the real one.
We argue poorly!
We look at the issue narrowly and believe because it makes sense to us we persuaded another.

the gopers, they don't belive anything they are saying, and it frees them to concentrate on saying what persuades no matter if it holds up under any type of scrutiny beyond the soundbite moment.

That makes us dumb because our jobs are selling what makes sense, while gopers sell what is harmfull to all but the superrich.

Your post makes my point perfectly. You attacked me about my stated career, without knowing, and right off the bat, your obnoxious guess is dead wrong.

Rather than adress my post directly. what might you need citation to whose who in the world or whose who in america or in the law, all places you will find me. want to put a few thousand on it? after that, what is left of you but discredited. and you persuaded nobody.

that remains my point

5by5
QUOTE (znarfk @ Sep 3 2008, 02:29 PM) *
Not a word about the post or it's intended message.

That's because its impossible to read when you type in all caps. It's also impolite.

QUOTE (znarfk @ Sep 3 2008, 02:29 PM) *
we loose every time
abiity
neglegable
reletively
gopers
superrich
expereince
thier

Spell check. I'm begging you.

QUOTE (znarfk @ Sep 3 2008, 02:37 PM) *
healthy women in control of thier own bodies dont get pregnant and require abortion of their child.I am not sure I support choice because there is anything noble in making a mistake that requires a doctor to kill a baby.
No contraception is 100%, especially when those involved are young, or the man or woman doesn't know how to use said contraception because they received inadequate sex education.

And it's not a baby, it's a fetus. If you are going to claim that you know when a SOUL enters that fetus, I would submit that that really IS above your pay grade, and you most definitely don't have the right to tell anyone else what to do in such a situation.

Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Problem solved.

Besides, even if you did know when that fetus became sentient or a soul entered the body, it still wouldn't matter, because the Constitution SPECIFICALLY only protects "Persons BORN". For a bunch of supposed Constitutional literalists, I find it fascinating that so many conservatives conveniently forget that little tidbit.

Anyhow, the abortion debate isn't about saving lives anyways.

In places where abortion is not only made illegal, but profoundly punative, abortions are actually 4 times more common, and on top of that, the mother's life is placed at risk. So that's two lives you're throwing to the winds. If you're really pro-life, you should be pro-choice. Make abortion safe, legal, and rare, due to comprehensive sex education. Abortions went down by half under Clinton, and have tripled under Bush.

The truth of the matter is, the "abortion debate" isn't about saving lives, it's about subjugating women.
karaplanet
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 3 2008, 06:44 PM) *
No contraception is 100%, especially when those involved are young, or the man or woman doesn't know how to use said contraception because they received inadequate sex education.

And it's not a baby, it's a fetus. If you are going to claim that you know when a SOUL enters that fetus, I would submit that that really IS above your pay grade, and you most definitely don't have the right to tell anyone else what to do in such a situation.

Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Problem solved.

Besides, even if you did know when that fetus became sentient or a soul entered the body, it still wouldn't matter, because the Constitution SPECIFICALLY only protects "Persons BORN". For a bunch of supposed Constitutional literalists, I find it fascinating that so many conservatives conveniently forget that little tidbit.

Anyhow, the abortion debate isn't about saving lives anyways.

In places where abortion is not only made illegal, but profoundly punative, abortions are actually 4 times more common, and on top of that, the mother's life is placed at risk. So that's two lives you're throwing to the winds. If you're really pro-life, you should be pro-choice. Make abortion safe, legal, and rare, due to comprehensive sex education. Abortions went down by half under Clinton, and have tripled under Bush.

The truth of the matter is, the "abortion debate" isn't about saving lives, it's about subjugating women.

Thank you for posting this. You said everything that I was thinking...and biting my tongue about, and more eloquently, to boot.
5by5
It just pisses me off when the looney rightwing portray people who are Pro-Choice as "murderers" because in fact, their "solution" is even MORE risky to life.

And they victimize average people on the right who actually ARE trying to "preserve life".

That is a noble goal.
If that's your goal.

But the problem is, outlawing abortion is precisely the wrong way to ACHIEVE that goal. In fact, in the REAL world, it does the exact opposite.

But the God's honest truth is, those in the LEADERSHIP of that movement are less motivated by a desire to preserve life, than they are to reduce women back to second class citizens.

You can tell this is true, because they do things like John McCain did, like supporting the inclusion of Viagra as a drug covered under insurance plans, but no support for contraception. Boys get all the fun, girls take all the responsibility. That's the message that sends. And you can tell it's true because these same "Pro-Life" leaders are also invariably Pro-War too.

Love the fetus, hate the child.

Or as George Carlin said, "Conservatives want live babies so they can grow up to be dead soldiers."
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