I have a good friend of mine in a mutual business relationship. We have never met, but talk and email almost daily. We have been talking about this election for over 6 months now and he has been a staunch Obama/democrat supporter. He just asked me if I knew one of his children was autistic. I didn't as it never came up. He stated that he listened to the speech last night and is now switching to McCain because of Palin's speech and advocy for special needs children. 2 votes, especialy from Maryland wont make a difference, but they were pretty staunch democrats and emailed me early today to tell me.

Either they're amazingly gullible, crazy, or not "staunch Democrats."

The Republicans want to do all they can to kill social help programs such as those geared toward children with special needs.

Anyone with the most rudimentary knowledge of the two parties knows that.

The McCain website must be running a special to get their supporters to go out to progressive forums today.

Incomprehensible.

I have a son 28 who is bipolar who can't afford the insurance, or drugs, to keep him symptom free. I am also the reluctant caregiver for my stepdaughter's son, special needs an on pre-school IEP for the last year. My stepson's oldest child is autistic.

I would never, NEVER turn the future of this country to McCain/Palin, and those like them whose lives seem driven by their own needs above all.

Your friend may want to vote for Palin because she has a Down syndrome child, but his mistake is in assuming that because he feels "like" her, that she would share. What is hers, is hers - every man for himself, and may the Devil take the hindmost - it's the Republican way.

I wouldn't worry too much about this...wait till more stuff comes out about Miss Palin.

You really should consider not posting this crap.

I'd bet nearly everyone on this board has your number by now. Republiplants are eventually very transparent....

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Oh my. I guess Obama should just pack it in. "Stauch Democrats" my ass.

Well, his wife works out of the house, he runs his business from his house and he has an autistic child. I think he is just your average voter who feels he has found someone that he can relate more directly to. I know when we're talking on the phone, he is constantly putting me on hold to take care of the kids, all young. How stauch a democrat is he? Not sure, but we talk politics a lot, thanks to me primarily, and he has never promoted a republican and always said he was an Obama supporter. He is not like most people here and think politics everyday, but I doubt many in the country do. Like I said, he lives in Maryland, so his switch won't mean much politically anyway, but just expressing the surpising email I received today, and wondering inside if she resonated that like with others in large numbers. Too early to say at this point.

You're pretty scared aren't ya?

Send them this link:

Sarah Palin Slashed Funding for Special Needs Kids 60% in One Year

The facts here show Governor Palin cut funding for special needs kids dramatically.

nothing to see here...do we have a yawn emoticon?

let me look

nope, but this will do

He's an idiot, he wouldn't get one dollar from me to manage. His child's life means nothing to him, it is all about money. His kid should know that. Welcome to the wonderful world of cannonfodder, at your own dad's expense. Oh wait, you're a winger, well then up yours prick, when did you serve and where? You chickenshit coward, the only war you ever fought was in your own house.

What would I be scared of? I don't have a candidate yet. The one that I am leaning to (Barr) has no chance of winning so I am quite calm and just waiting for 2012. But..... Palin did impress me a lot.

Don't feed the troll.

I really like how you put that gcurry - it really hit home, because I've never understood how people who seem to have their heart open to their family can close it to everyone else. But putting it in terms of these people not sharing, not owning or even being aware of the concept of sharing, helps it make sense. Thanks

And why are you all assuming this is a republican infilitrator?

Profile of the Sociopath

This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.


* Glibness and Superficial Charm

* Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

* Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

* Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

* Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

* Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

* Incapacity for Love

* Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

* Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

* Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

* Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

* Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

* Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

* Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

* Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

Other Related Qualities:

1. Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
2. Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
3. Authoritarian
4. Secretive
5. Paranoid
6. Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
7. Conventional appearance
8. Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
9. Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
10. Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
11. Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
12. Incapable of real human attachment to another
13. Unable to feel remorse or guilt
14. Extreme narcissism and grandiose
15. May state readily that their goal is to rule the world


(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.)


NOTE: In the 1830's this disorder was called "moral insanity." By 1900 it was changed to "psychopathic personality." More recently it has been termed "antisocial personality disorder" in the DSM-III and DSM-IV. Some critics have complained that, in the attempt to rely only on 'objective' criteria, the DSM has broadened the concept to include too many individuals. The APD category includes people who commit illegal, immoral or self-serving acts for a variety of reasons and are not necessarily psychopaths.

Exactly.

GCurry, you've just gotta stop responding to this crap.

MOTR is not going to consider your points...not what he's here for.

Obama played it perfectly talking to the press earlier today.

The "bullshit" and "smears" are "no big deal", in his words.

Trust me, we are gonna hear worse of both.

Did you miss this at the bottom? selective quoting?

Actually, Obsidian Wings had this in a post too, but after looking at the itemized list, it isn't accurate. The reason it looks like the special school budget looks cut by $5 million is because they split off the largest program, into a separate line item, and increased total spending by about $1 million.

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/07_OMB/budget/EED/index.htm (in 07 the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy was part of the special schools section)

http://gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/EED/index.htm (in 09 it is on its own).

McCain's overall education platform is disgusting, but this line of attack isn't accurate.

Uh-huh... you got a Bridge to Nowhere you can sell me, too?

Good News Everyone (exceptmotr, that is): Obama/Biden Electoral College Projections jumped by 5 Votes since yesterday !

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

That's great. Go talk about it to people who care. Why would you tell us this unless you were trolling or trying to convince us to vote for McCain because McCain doesn't have enough supporters? That's why I said you were scared. duh... You are so transparent.

And the donations are rolling in, too.

Sarah Palin.

The "hottie" that keeps on giving.

Assuming you're serious...what is your take?

???

So?

What's your point?

Bad newa, CBS just came out with their latest poll showing Obama lost 8 points in 3 days:

CBS News 09/01 - 09/03 734 RV 42 42 Tie
Gallup Tracking 09/01 - 09/03 2771 RV 49 42 Obama +7
Rasmussen Tracking 09/01 - 09/03 3000 LV 50 45 Obama +5
Hotline/FD 08/29 - 08/31 805 RV 48 39 Obama +9
CNN 08/29 - 08/31 927 RV 49 48 Obama +1
CBS News 08/29 - 08/31 781 RV 48 40 Obama +8

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/20...-225.html#polls

Geez, this is a discussion board. I discuss, you decide. Or ignore.

Who is "she"?

I think "She" might have picked up some gullible voters but I'm sure many more were turned off by her.

Of course I'm serious - I just assumed that this person was concerned at this sudden switch from voting Democrat to going for McCain/Palin. Maybe I missed a post somewhere that made it clear to morons like me that this person was obviously a troll, which apparently is no longer an illegal word. Things have gotten really mean around here, what happened?

Obama +4.4

Gallup Tracking 09/01 - 09/03 2771 RV 49 42
Obama +7

Rasmussen Tracking 09/01 - 09/03 3000 LV 50 45
Obama +5

Hotline/FD 08/29 - 08/31 805 RV 48 39
Obama +9


funny, when you take cbs out and look at the other 3, he has a big lead...but if you goal was to make it appear that Obama had a major loss, you wouldnt note that or point that out...

Palin vetoed many bills that called for help for people with special needs, including vetoing funds for a home for unwed mothers.

He is being fooled by her hypocrisy and her lies in a speech that was written for her by the Bush speech writers.

If he can believe all that crap, then he is a far bigger fool than he realizes.

And, you can tell him that, for me.

what happened is...

George W. Bush lied this country into a war, sent many of our sons and daughters over there to die for his oil...that makes me pretty mean sometimes*...that is what happened, then the bastards who did that are working on doing it some more with palin and mccain...that really is what it is all about...i know you know that, but I thought I would respond

but, I think mart was surprised by your post, if you have been reading all the posts related to your discussion you would see why some think that the poster is who they think he is...





*you see, I will never understand or be OK with anyone who allows them to continue to do this shit, visa vi their vote or lack thereof

NEM, you're assuming that there really is a "he".

Thanx, guy...

Maybe Gwynogsrabbit just hasn't had his/her coffee yet...?

Well, yeah...

There's THAT...

Pod people. Just like all of them in St. Paul. Pod people.

i'm the parent of an autistic child as well. let your friend know that Sarah Palin's empathy isn't worth crap. Back win W. was Governor of TX, a parent in our support group wrote to him for help. W/out going into specifics, trust me when I tell you that parents of special needs kids have not only been abandoned, but undermined by our government in TX and most other states across America. W.'s answer, "I'll pray for you". Tell your friend that he shouldn't dare switch his vote until or unless he gets specific promises about what Palin and McCain will do to help.

So you have 2 friends that switched to McCain. I have 2 friends, my Mother, and several relatives that just switched to Obama.

Don't forget...Wiener Savage said "What is autism? A brat who hasn't been told to cut the act". And he is a Republican conservitive broadcaster. And if that is how he thinks...imagine the base.

I remember Gwynogsrabbit from the old board, and she strikes me as a gentle soul. I have not seen her around most of MOTR's posts, thus I doubt that she is very well acquainted with such dregs.

what kind of bullshit post is this?

"bad newa" indeed.

Yeah...I agree.

I was just makin' a funny.

No offense intended whatsoever.

That's what makes me think that MOTR's friend might just be fictitious, or the particulars of his statement exaggerated. She said nothing about what she intended to do to advocate for special needs kids. No one with a functioning brain cell would switch their vote on an ambiguous promise like "you will have a friend and an advocate in the White House." For all they know she would intend to pump money into faith-based initiatives that promise to help special needs kids. She's certainly not going to help with the medical bills.

I'm assuming that there is NOT. I've seen these little cutesy anecdotes here and on dozens of other message boards, chatrooms, and newsgroups all too often by folks who have an obvious slant.

Thanks kara Randys and martsmart - I'm really really sorry if I got testy, I've had a hideous summer and my mother is having orgasms over Palin, and my homeowners association hates my plants, and I guess I felt for someone else who seemed under attack.

Anyway :hug:

you are forgiven big time, i know what it is like to have family members completely fooled by the garbage on the right...how come we know sarah palin is the epitome of everything that is wrong with this country and they dont?

Necessary reality fixee.

It's okay, Gwynogsrabbit. Gentle spirits always have their hearts in the right place.

Have you read any of adamquestor's ideas on the subject?

I'm right there with him.

A certain percentage of human brains just CAN'T get the memo, so to speak...