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NEM
Bristol Palin's teen, unwed pregnancy is not the first in her family. The first unwed mother in the family was Sarah, herself. At least I heard something to that effect on the Thom Hartmann program this morning. Truth, or not?????
carmenjonze
I believe that as of now, it's just a rumor.

I'm still weighing whether I think she should be asked publicly about it or not. Not sure about it.
martsmart
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Sep 4 2008, 02:54 PM) *
I believe that as of now, it's just a rumor.

I'm still weighing whether I think she should be asked publicly about it or not. Not sure about it.


Yeah.

I don't care if she was pregnant before marriage.

The thing is, the hypocrite conservatives do.

We'll see...



Sean
Take the age of her oldest and subtract that from the years she's been married; don't forget to account for the months.


NEM
QUOTE (martsmart @ Sep 4 2008, 02:57 PM) *
Yeah.

I don't care if she was pregnant before marriage.

The thing is, the hypocrite conservatives do.

We'll see...


I, personally don't care either, but in her case because she is making family matters a big issue, and she was hand picked by the religious radical right, I think it is something that should be pursued, and that innuendo should be used.....
J2NYC
QUOTE
Yeah.

I don't care if she was pregnant before marriage.

The thing is, the hypocrite conservatives do.

We'll see...


Actually, they don't. They only care about scandals like this if a Democrat is involved in the scandal. If stuff like this comes out about her they will simply say that it makes her more "Human." Of course if Hillary had something like that in her past it would mean that she's a whore.

Honestly, rather than talking about checkered pasts I would prefer people pounding her is stance in issues - particularly Heath Care. She's totally against any kind of Government spending on health care.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm


adamquestor
QUOTE (martsmart @ Sep 4 2008, 05:57 PM) *
Yeah.

I don't care if she was pregnant before marriage.

The thing is, the hypocrite conservatives do.

We'll see...



The weird thing is... they probably don't. In the conservative fantasy, anything is acceptable as long as it's "one of our own." They will be told to dutifully believe against their own previous beliefs as if those previous beliefs never existed. George Orwell called this DOUBLETHINK.

A description from Orwell's 1984:

QUOTE
O'Brien stopped him with a movement of the hand.

'Another example,' he said. 'Some years ago you had a very serious delusion
indeed. You believed that three men, three one-time Party members named
Jones, Aaronson, and Rutherford--men who were executed for treachery and
sabotage after making the fullest possible confession--were not guilty of
the crimes they were charged with. You believed that you had seen
unmistakable documentary evidence proving that their confessions were
false. There was a certain photograph about which you had a hallucination.
You believed that you had actually held it in your hands. It was a
photograph something like this.'

An oblong slip of newspaper had appeared between O'Brien's fingers. For
perhaps five seconds it was within the angle of Winston's vision. It was
a photograph, and there was no question of its identity. It was THE
photograph. It was another copy of the photograph of Jones, Aaronson, and
Rutherford at the party function in New York, which he had chanced upon
eleven years ago and promptly destroyed. For only an instant it was before
his eyes, then it was out of sight again. But he had seen it,
unquestionably he had seen it! He made a desperate, agonizing effort to
wrench the top half of his body free. It was impossible to move so much as
a centimetre in any direction. For the moment he had even forgotten the
dial. All he wanted was to hold the photograph in his fingers again, or at
least to see it.

'It exists!' he cried.

'No,' said O'Brien.

He stepped across the room. There was a memory hole in the opposite wall.
O'Brien lifted the grating. Unseen, the frail slip of paper was whirling
away on the current of warm air; it was vanishing in a flash of flame.
O'Brien turned away from the wall.

'Ashes,' he said. 'Not even identifiable ashes. Dust. It does not exist.
It never existed.'

'But it did exist! It does exist! It exists in memory. I remember it.
You remember it.'

'I do not remember it,' said O'Brien.

Winston's heart sank. That was doublethink. He had a feeling of deadly
helplessness. If he could have been certain that O'Brien was lying, it
would not have seemed to matter. But it was perfectly possible that O'Brien
had really forgotten the photograph. And if so, then already he would have
forgotten his denial of remembering it, and forgotten the act of
forgetting. How could one be sure that it was simple trickery? Perhaps
that lunatic dislocation in the mind could really happen: that was the
thought that defeated him.

O'Brien was looking down at him speculatively. More than ever he had the
air of a teacher taking pains with a wayward but promising child.

'There is a Party slogan dealing with the control of the past,' he said.
'Repeat it, if you please.'

'"Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present
controls the past,"' repeated Winston obediently.

'"Who controls the present controls the past,"' said O'Brien, nodding his
head with slow approval. 'Is it your opinion, Winston, that the past has
real existence?'

Again the feeling of helplessness descended upon Winston. His eyes flitted
towards the dial. He not only did not know whether 'yes' or 'no' was the
answer that would save him from pain; he did not even know which answer he
believed to be the true one.

O'Brien smiled faintly. 'You are no metaphysician, Winston,' he said.
'Until this moment you had never considered what is meant by existence. I
will put it more precisely. Does the past exist concretely, in space? Is
there somewhere or other a place, a world of solid objects, where the past
is still happening?'

'No.'

'Then where does the past exist, if at all?'

'In records. It is written down.'

'In records. And----?'

'In the mind. In human memories.'

'In memory. Very well, then. We, the Party, control all records, and we
control all memories. Then we control the past, do we not?'

'But how can you stop people remembering things?' cried Winston again
momentarily forgetting the dial. 'It is involuntary. It is outside oneself.
How can you control memory? You have not controlled mine!'

O'Brien's manner grew stern again. He laid his hand on the dial.

'On the contrary,' he said, 'YOU have not controlled it. That is what has
brought you here. You are here because you have failed in humility, in
self-discipline. You would not make the act of submission which is the
price of sanity. You preferred to be a lunatic, a minority of one. Only the
disciplined mind can see reality, Winston. You believe that reality is
something objective, external, existing in its own right. You also believe
that the nature of reality is self-evident. When you delude yourself into
thinking that you see something, you assume that everyone else sees the
same thing as you. But I tell you, Winston, that reality is not external.
Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else. Not in the individual
mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in the
mind of the Party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the Party
holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by
looking through the eyes of the Party. That is the fact that you have got
to relearn, Winston. It needs an act of self-destruction, an effort of the
will. You must humble yourself before you can become sane.'

He paused for a few moments, as though to allow what he had been saying to
sink in.

'Do you remember,' he went on, 'writing in your diary, "Freedom is the
freedom to say that two plus two make four"?'

'Yes,' said Winston.

O'Brien held up his left hand, its back towards Winston, with the thumb
hidden and the four fingers extended.

'How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?'

'Four.'

'And if the party says that it is not four but five--then how many?'
TwinkleToes
Hey! Abstinence education at its fekkin' finest!
brewens
It's all relevant. She need sto be asked a lot of questions.
Does she think birth control is a form of abortion?
Does she favor abstinance only education? If so, how's THAT worked out for her?
What does she think about sex education? Availability of birth control for teenagers?
I doubt she'll do any serious interviews where she will have to answer any tough questions.
shorebird
QUOTE (brewens @ Sep 4 2008, 04:06 PM) *
It's all relevant. She need sto be asked a lot of questions.
Does she think birth control is a form of abortion?
Does she favor abstinance only education? If so, how's THAT worked out for her?
What does she think about sex education? Availability of birth control for teenagers?
I doubt she'll do any serious interviews where she will have to answer any tough questions.

Is she planning on continuing breeding with those stale eggs of hers while she is VP or is she going to shut her husband off from sex?
toptier
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I read the stuff that's available. There is a quick elopement "to save money," and something like 7 to 7.5 months later, Track plops out.

It's interesting in that Gladys Kravitz sort of way, but even if the Neo-Con Right Wingers had solid proof, all it would confirm to them is how noble the Pitbull is. After all, they did the "right thing," they got married, and they've stayed married for 20 years.

God. Approves.

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shoeshoe
QUOTE (Sean @ Sep 4 2008, 02:58 PM) *
Take the age of her oldest and subtract that from the years she's been married; don't forget to account for the months.

Her oldest child was born less than eight months (7 months, 21 days, I think) after they were married.

Oops ...
Sean
QUOTE (shoeshoe @ Sep 4 2008, 11:42 PM) *
Her oldest child was born less than eight months (7 months, 21 days, I think) after they were married.

Oops ...



Ding, ding, sing... we have the answer.

Effect
I don't really care who or when one was pregnant either but what I do care about and want is of these people to be called on their hypocritical ways. I want their faces rubbed in it and for them to be called out for the liars they are. No one is perfect but when you claim to be something and say you are (not trying to but "are") and then condemn others for not being that way when you clearly are not is what pisses me off.
Gatekeeper
We Need to LOOK at this PITBULL's teeth. Who is the "real Sarah Palin", not the Neo-CON myth!

http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=...mp;jumival=2230

Palin delivers WELL! But her "bite" is only as good as "the Neo-Con writers " who put her speech together.

The Rovian finger print is all Over MS Palin!

People need to realize that this once hopeful "sports caster/beauty queen" is a pure opportunist. She uses her wares well!
The point Americans need to determine, is this just MORE of the SAME. I think Rove and his henchmen have found a "new" way to present their old message, and Undermine Integrity and the Constitution.

America needs to decide WHAT exactly they want to be ABOUT. Will it be the Neo-Cons and Rovian dialectic that is fulfilled with Straight Talk Mac and his Pitbull? The Supreme Court is waiting for the verdict! Ultra Conservatism under a cloaked jack-boot mantra is "just around the corner". November will tell us the story! dry.gif hmmmmm

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We really NEED to take a good LOOK at this "so called" Pitbull from ALASKA without the Neo-Con speech writers!

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Gatekeeper
How about INTEGRITY and TRUTH America?

http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=...mp;jumival=2191

Would MS. Palin tell bold faced LIES to grab "the Gold ring" to SOMEWHERE? wtf.gif wacko.gif

What else is Pitbull Palin not telling us about? SAMO-SAMO

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