Is it just me or does that new stage John McSame is on look like a hand giving us all the finger?[size="4"][/size]

Ah, I thought it was a new Miss America runway in honor of Gov. Palin, even if it wasn't done in time for her.

Gag me with a spoon you neo-Nazi!

"Pass some time by playing some solitaire Senator McCain."

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Malloy is on fire tonight!!!

Gawd, this man is booooooring!

Please, don't let him get into the White House.
I won't be able to stand listening to that for the next 4 years!

the more I hear of him, the less I want to vote for him.

also, the more I think people will vote for "I hear God Bless America, and I know he'll keep me safe" McCain.

oh, and the USA USA shoutdowns? I KNOW WHAT COUNTRY THIS IS.


sheesh, here's hoping Americans see this for the BS it is.

I've already spent the last 8 years having to get Bush's speeches from Randi's commentaries because I can't listen to the man speak. It would be so nice to have a president one could actually listen to wouldn't it!

i'm trying to stay awake

The only thing worse than having to listen to McCain will be having to listen to Palin.
But the latter seems inevitable, unless some really good irrefutable dirt comes out on her (like she gets impeached or indicted).

Are you saying you think its inevitable that McCain will win? I don't. I actually have more faith in the American people than that. I don't think we are as racist as some would have us believe. There are still racist people left, and they are quite vocal about it so it looks like we have more than we actually have I think.

Besides, Obama is well educated and well spoken. That would ease most working and middle class white folk's fears about him as a black man.

Its really about socioeconomics more than race.

OMG, we busted out laughing at the "teach an adult to read" fumble...

Well, at first the blue screen made me think of "Max Headroom", but after seeing his speech and the response of the audience, I'd have to say that it's the best speech that has ever been delivered at a national convention of the AARP.

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I didn't watch or listen to it. I had enough yesterday. I heard it wasn't good and even Fox thought it was horrble. All except Chris Matthews who said the speech should pit McCain in front Obama next week. Tell me...did I miss anything...or was watching The Last Emperor (one of my favorate movies) a better thing to do.

If you haven't heard yet that he was a PoDubya in Vietnam and theback-story on that, then you missed the most important part.

Other than that it was basically "remember all the lies, fear mongering, and debasing of Obama and the Democrats BS my people spoke of on this stage last night? Well ... oh, look over there, a shiny trinket ... I am a maverick and will reach across the isle and show great non-partisan respect in order to get things done."

In other words, you made the right choice.

Except that I vaguely recall that John Kerry and Al Gore were white, but I could be wrong on that?

I don't think it's inevitable that McCain will win, but it will be an uphill battle for Obama. By no means as sure a thing as one might think.

Don't forget that apart from whatever Obama and McCain may do in the debates, there's always voting fraud and the Supreme Court. So it's not enough for Obama to get just one more electoral college vote than McCain. He's got to blow him out of the water with an overwhelming, irrefutable majority.

All you missed was a few hundred references (including black & white photos) to McCain having been a POW in the Hanoi Hilton for 5 1/2 years.

Thanks. I posted this also in the GOP notes thread.

I'm pretty sure MSM will have heard a different speech than the one I heard. But, speaking for me, McCain's speech seemed to me and also did not appear to have much impact on his audience. Applause was relatively sparse and the camera pans caught a few yawns among the faithful, confirming my impression taht his speech was largely uninspiring to his own audience.

Another disconnect may have been McCain's refusal to continue down the Obama put down path that Palin and others had already started. True, it was noble for McCain not to have done that; but, if that was his intent, then he should not have allowed Palin to get out in front of him on that path. By changing course on her, McCain left Palin out to dry by not following up on the Obama putdowns that she initiated.

I don't think it's all that appropriate to allow the VP to be the lead attack dog one night and then disavow attacks the next.

What's up with that?

And don't forget your media ... I really don't know how you folks put up with your crap media down there ... really, it sucks big time ... if you lose again this time the only way possible to get someone reasonable in power is to storm the major networks and string up all the reporters.

I truly believe that you'd be better off with Rush and Randi being your only news outlets ... Rush could tell his lies and Randi could correct him with facts ... at least then the people would have a choice between BS and real news rather than what they have now ... no choice at all except news outlets that purposely try to make everything into come complicated nonsense that they can talk about for months and months on end.

It's like they report "Cyanide. is it poison or good for you", then they spend the next year getting talking heads on their shows to discuss the supposed controversy.

I could only watch for a few seconds at a time before returning to Comedy Central.

I could watch the Palin speech as it was at least entertaining. Thanks to Randi for dissecting it today on the air.

Make no mistake, Palin is going to Washington, but not as VP. She's not done with us yot. She's the type the GOP loves to throw at us.

McCain is just....sad. Palin energized the base, and the McCain cuts down the Republicans. Total Schizo. Century Village Attacks! Maid he hired is pretty hot tho. Nurse! Nurse! Could you apply my ointment for me? That's a good girl.

I digress. But so did they tonight.

Chris was smoking some good stuff. He must have something in his contract about ratings. Keep the contest close Keith!

How's the reception in MSM?

I turned on to AAR (John Eliot), but he was just talking about Palin - no mention of McCain's speech - I think they were recycling old shows... So I went to NPR, and their critic (Peter something, he was not identified as a partisan fwiw) said McCain's speech was better than Obama's (A- to B+), and the best speech of his career!! I was surprised because it sounded kind of weak to me... at least the delivery did...

Hey, did you guys know that John McCain was a former POW??!??!!?!? Good thing they mentioned it, or we might've all forgotten. I'm so glad this borefest is over. Does Sarah Palin remind anyone else of that chick that Reese Witherspoon played in "Election?"

I have an idea for a drinking game, it's called "Guliani 9/11, McCain POW"

Excellent idea, my friend.

Kinda weak? lol That's giving it way too much credit. It was the reiteration of a dozen or so tired old cliches and talking points with even ANOTHER telling of the POW part of his biography...and the delivery sounded like it was coming from a crypt, not a podium.

Yes, we believe that as well, even as I will fight to stand up.

Official Repugnican Convention Drinking Game Rules

OK, I'm watching the McCain speech replay.

I'm seeing a lot of empty seats.

I'm seeing misspelled homemade signs.

I'm seeing that the majority of attendees appear to 50+.

I'm watching all the kids who weren't cool in high school.

I'm falling asleep watching one of the most boring (and that fake grin drives me crazy) convention speeches I've ever heard.

I'm turning it off.

I am very shocked to hear CNN finally give out some news. They informed everyone before McSame got up, because of the 9-11 video they showed. They stated that Bush got information about the terrorists ahead of time and blew it off, I CANNOT BELIEVE I HEARD IT ON CNN! They tell this to everyone at the repug convention. This is the first time I have heard this on MSM. There just might be hope!

The best thing about the McCain candidacy is Palin...

Huffpo headlines;
Former Bush Speechwriter: "Pretty Disappointing"... National Review: "Flat, Forced"... David Gergen: "Mostly A Rerun Of A Lot Of Old Republican Ideas"... New Republic: "No Overarching Themes"... CNN'S Jeffrey Toobin: Worst Speech By Nominee Since Jimmy Carter In 1980... NY Times Blog: Some Delegates Fell Asleep... WATCH: Speech Interrupted By Iraq Vet Heckler
(the highlight of the speech) LOL

I just heard at least the last half of John McCain's speech. Even for McCain, who isn't a great speaker, it was just average. He hit the typical Republican talking points just like you'd expect. The crowd was die-hard Republicans so naturally they ate it up. But if anyone is saying that McCain speech is at all comparable to Obama's great speech, they are living on a different planet than me. Chris Matthews must have an entire keg of kool-aid.

Let's hope this is the high point of the McCain campaign and America will make the right choice and elect Obama. McCain can retire, play golf, and be as happy as a grumpy, old, paleface can be. Obama, Biden, and the rest of us can begin the hard work of fixing the damage of the Bush/Cheney years and building a better future.

this kind of sums it up I think.

TRUST ME! You gotta see this short and sweet video:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/05/t...c_n_124120.html

Hey guys, I really love your posts. I'm LMAO. Thanks for the light-heartedness. I can't wait until this election is over and we can send McPain back to somewhere, and Pilan the hell out of town.... and I can get back to normal. I can't even remember her name Pilan, Pinal, ???

Seriously, the world is going to hell in a handbasket - one hurricane after another piling up like planes backed up at an airport, vampire Chaney getting his rocks off in Georgia trying to start WWIII, (where the hell is Bush by the way?) and McPain and Sarah seriously thinking they are going to win this election.

I'm not sure of what the 'bounce' would be for McCain, but the latest Gallup poll before his speech showed Obama holding a comfortable lead after Sarah's speech. And he is finally speaking out about Sarah's attacks:

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10384598?IAD...mercurynews.com

I truly believe that we have the numbers, Dems just have to turn out and vote. He did raise $10 million right after the Pilan speech which showed the Dems were ignited by the outrage of it all. And he's gaining recruits all over the country every day. He is well organized, including his online site.

Repubs only got $1 mil after Pilan's speech. However news said McCain is walking away from the convention with $200 mil and we know where he's getting most of that from. Sure, change my a--.

Keep the faith!

OK, OK - enough with the flood of PMs pleading for an anlysis of McCain's speech like that which I offered of Palin's! Here you go!

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On some facets of McCain's speech, it seems I disagree with several of my RRMB colleagues.

Judged on a spectrum that runs the gamut from Lincoln, JFK and MLK through Reagan, Clinton and Obama, McCain's speech was clearly awful. If the spectrum is limited to Mccain's past performances, and those of other speakers at the convention over the last couple of days, I thought his presentation was better than most. MAYBE his best.

But I'm among those defectives who maintain that a candidate's speechifying is really only a shallow, petty credential. Sure, I understand that, realistically, it's important to the process of getting elected. But I remain open to one day voting for a geeky, nervous, sweating, stumbling goof who vomits before he addresses large crowds as long as I believe he can kick ass in the office he's running for, and his priorities and analyses and plans inspire and please me.

There's little question the speech came in three parts. (I know, most folks say 2 parts - they're wrong.)

The first part of the speech was the pro forma thanks to his family, Palin and other candidates who spoke in the last couple of days.

For example:

Then he went on to reach out to real people, and to let them know he understand their concerns - or at least that he's heard the hoots of laughter about the basic issues that have been unmentioned at the convention before now. He talked about health insurance woes, economic concerns, and those other topics that tell folks he really DOES kow what they're worried about.

Here's an example of that:



In the second third of his speech, McCain spelled out some of his plans, and told some flat out lies about Obama's plans. For example, it apparently doesn't matter how many times Obama spells out his tax plan, McCain et al are going to continue insisting he plans to raise taxes for most "average" folks.

e.g.:

In the final third of his speech, McCain recounted his POW experience in detail - the same detail most of us have heard at length, and described the ways in which it changed his outlook on life. (How he's changed his mind on so many issues over the years was not explained.)

From the POW hunk:

Though you may not hear it from anyone else, I believe the speech as a whole was inspiring and impressive to any person who has never heard of John McCain, and to those who knew absolutely nothing about him before this evening. And sharing something in common with literally all of the other speakers throughout the RNC, it would also be very important for the listener to be unaware that Republicans - McCain's party - has held the White House for the last 8 years.

Only those "in the know" could appreciate the irony of McCain and all the others demanding "CHANGE" from the very folks they put into office in the first place. It would also help to be unaware the extent to which the same party has controlled Congress for more than a decade. And all that's without even mentioning McCain's flip-flops on issues running the gamut from torture, to the Bush tax cuts.

Here's an example of that which MUST impress and please the voter who knows nothing:



The only danger McCain faces in that statement is making it in front of anyone who knows better. Oddly, I kind of thought most in the audience DID have reason to know better. On the other hand, they showed no sign of appreciating the irony.

As I watched the crowd jumping and screaming at every mention of grabbing Washington DC by the scruff of the neck and shaking it, or reducing the size of government, and so forth, I wondered how many of those folks have those ridiculous "W" stickers on their cars back home. I wondered why none of THEM wondered about McCain's claim up against the fact that he'd voted to support George Bush's agenda more than 90% of the time (95% in some years over the last 4).

For the wholly ignorant person, I really do think many of McCain's words were inspiring and uplifting. That portion of the speech wherein McCain asked others to join him in the fight was especially inspired.

Come on, you gotta admit - that's great rhetoric. If only it hadn't come from McCain. For example, imagine those words coming from Obama!

For everyone who knows him, and his audience, I think it was kind of embarrassing. Nonetheless, the audience did not seem to be at all embarrassed. I admit, this mystifies me.

LINK TO THE SPEECH TRANSCRIPT

I'm going with Miss American Taliban (Paliban, for short)

(And don't let the polls get you down - look at Electoral College predictions from the Savvy Sports Line guys: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/ )

I'm going with Caribou Barbie

I appreciate the thoughtfulness of the above.

Another unstated irony arising from the speech and from the above post is that it is to be recalled that "no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the Murkin people." Hence, the fact that McCain was basically running against and even chastising the failed government that Rs have run for the past decade might not dawn on Murkin voters.

Indeed, one can further assume that the R strategy had that very notion in mind in crafting the McCain strategy of calling for change from that which the Rs, themselves, have wrought.

The key might well be in Obama's ability to concisely call attention to the fact that it is also well known that it is insane to continue doing the same thing and expect a different result.

At least you had the mercy to kill the animal before posing over it.

McPainful seemed to have no energy a tawl last nite.

His book is wee-wee wee-wee selling, tho.

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Is this the first election you've ever followed? Thats presidential campaigning 101. VP is the attack dog, presidential nominee tries to be presidential.

Tom Rich referred to the guy as John Bush (John Barleycorn?). Here's the great speech we waited for:

McPain totters out on stage with a phony grin all over that precious face, and OMG...

...Flat, forced. Rerun of old-old-old, discredited Repuknikan ideas. Jeffrey Tubin: 'worst speech since Carter in 1980'

Didn't tell where where they will lead us and how. Nugatory.

Here McBush again: