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AlwaysaLiberal
On CNN yesterday they said that Latinos/Hispanics are more likely to vote Republican? Is this true and why? I feel like neocons would have all of them kicked out of the country if they could. A lot of them are incredibly racist and ignorant toward hispanics/latinos.
TapDuncan
That is so fucking bullshit. They say it a catalyst to encourage them to go with the crowd. It will not work, I have talked to all of my Chicano friends, and tey hate Mcrazy. This is simply Jews for Hitler. Go figure.
Randys
I understand it to be because now that they have access to this country and citizenship, they really dont want anymore of them to have it or at least they dont want illegals to come in and they think repubs are stronger on the border issues...

Randys
QUOTE (TapDuncan @ Sep 5 2008, 02:17 PM) *
That is so fucking bullshit. They say it a catalyst to encourage them to go with the crowd. It will not work, I have talked to all of my Chicano friends, and tey hate Mcrazy. This is simply Jews for Hitler. Go figure.

i hope you are right, i dont know from experience at all what the truth is, i have just noticed on this board usually the most vehement anti illegals are cuban americans and mexican americans

but it is a small sample here

I am very supportive of all, I understand why illegals come here and if they are willing to work I welcome them
AlwaysaLiberal
QUOTE (TapDuncan @ Sep 5 2008, 05:17 PM) *
That is so fucking bullshit. They say it a catalyst to encourage them to go with the crowd. It will not work, I have talked to all of my Chicano friends, and tey hate Mcrazy. This is simply Jews for Hitler. Go figure.


Yeah because I don't understand why they would vote for people who are prejudiced against them, and I highly doubt Florida is as red as they say it is. rolleyes.gif They are trying to tell me that a state with so many latinos in it is red? No wonder they (Katherine Harris and co.) messed up the voting there in 2000.
EvilConservative
QUOTE (AlwaysaLiberal @ Sep 5 2008, 02:12 PM) *
On CNN yesterday they said that Latinos/Hispanics are more likely to vote Republican? Is this true and why? I feel like neocons would have all of them kicked out of the country if they could. A lot of them are incredibly racist and ignorant toward hispanics/latinos.

First, republicans are anti-illegal immigration, not anti Hispanic (nice try)

Second, From some Latinos that I have talked to (I work in a very highly Hispanic area) many are upset that they immigrated "the right way" and those who came here illegally took short cuts and are getting a free pass. Some even go as far to say illegal immigrants give the rest of Hispanics "a bad image" So naturally, they are anti-illegal immigration (and pro republican)

Edit: echo what Randys said.
AlwaysaLiberal
QUOTE (Randys @ Sep 5 2008, 05:19 PM) *
i hope you are right, i dont know from experience at all what the truth is, i have just noticed on this board usually the most vehement anti illegals are cuban americans and mexican americans

but it is a small sample here

I am very supportive of all, I understand why illegals come here and if they are willing to work I welcome them


Yeah I am extremely suspicious of this whole anti illegal immigrant thing that just became really huge in the past two years or so. lol They only care about it because most illegal immigrants are from Mexico or other hispanic places.

EDIT: The hispanics are vehement about it because they get called illegal immigrants even if they aren't. There are extremely ignorant people who put them all in the same group because of what they look like. lol Maybe I shouldn't be talking for them, that's just my opinion.
AlwaysaLiberal
QUOTE (EvilConservative @ Sep 5 2008, 05:22 PM) *
First, republicans are anti-illegal immigration, not anti Hispanic (nice try)

Second, From some Latinos that I have talked to (I work in a very highly Hispanic area) many are upset that they immigrated "the right way" and those who came here illegally took short cuts and are getting a free pass. Some even go as far to say illegal immigrants give the rest of Hispanics "a bad image" So naturally, they are anti-illegal immigration (and pro republican)


rolleyes.gif
Randys
QUOTE (EvilConservative @ Sep 5 2008, 02:22 PM) *
So naturally, they are anti-illegal immigration (and pro republican)

Edit: echo what Randys said.

except what they dont know is it is all lip service from the repubs, sure some extremists are for it but the RNC cannot and will not plug the border, too many of their constituents are making fortunes off of the cheap labor
EvilConservative
QUOTE (Randys @ Sep 5 2008, 02:25 PM) *
except what they dont know is it is all lip service from the repubs, sure some extremists are for it but the RNC cannot and will not plug the border, too many of their constituents are making fortunes off of the cheap labor

And in my opinion, they fail as conservatives.
L-Rey-LA
Doesn't sound right. Only time Hispanic vote approached 50% was when Bush ran on FEAR and "compassionate conservatism".

Excerpt from study:http://www.nclr.org/content/publications/download/46271

Hispanic Presidential Preference (1988-2004)
Year Source % Republican % Democrat % Other
2004 Bush Kerry Nader/Other
National Election Pool* 44 53 2
Los Angeles Times (LAT) 45 54 1
New York Times (NYT) 43 56 -
William C. Velasquez 31 68 1
Institute
2000 Bush Gore Nader/Other
VNS 35 62 3
LAT 38 61 1
NYT 31 67 2
1996 Dole Clinton Perot/Other
VNS 21 72 6
LAT 21 71 7
TRPI** 22 70 7

On December 3, 2004, NBC issued a statement lowering Bush’s share of the Hispanic vote to 40%, although NEP
data were not officially edited or modified (First Read - MSNBC.com, December 3, 2004. Available online at:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6531105/). The precursor to NEP was the Voter News Service (VNS), which was
disbanded in 2003 after controversies over the 2000 and 2002 election results.

EvilConservative
QUOTE (L-Rey-LA @ Sep 5 2008, 02:27 PM) *
Doesn't sound right. Only time Hispanic vote approached 50% was when Bush ran on FEAR and "compassionate conservatism".


Duno, do you think the whole subject of illegal imigration was as big of an issue as it is now back in 2000, or '96?
AlwaysaLiberal
QUOTE (L-Rey-LA @ Sep 5 2008, 05:27 PM) *
Doesn't sound right. Only time Hispanic vote approached 50% was when Bush ran on FEAR and "compassionate conservatism".

Excerpt from study:http://www.nclr.org/content/publications/download/46271

Hispanic Presidential Preference (1988-2004)
Year Source % Republican % Democrat % Other
2004 Bush Kerry Nader/Other
National Election Pool* 44 53 2
Los Angeles Times (LAT) 45 54 1
New York Times (NYT) 43 56 -
William C. Velasquez 31 68 1
Institute
2000 Bush Gore Nader/Other
VNS 35 62 3
LAT 38 61 1
NYT 31 67 2
1996 Dole Clinton Perot/Other
VNS 21 72 6
LAT 21 71 7
TRPI** 22 70 7

On December 3, 2004, NBC issued a statement lowering Bush’s share of the Hispanic vote to 40%, although NEP
data were not officially edited or modified (First Read - MSNBC.com, December 3, 2004. Available online at:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6531105/). The precursor to NEP was the Voter News Service (VNS), which was
disbanded in 2003 after controversies over the 2000 and 2002 election results.

Thanks L-Rey.
TapDuncan
John Mcrazy wants to pay us $50/hr to pick lettuce, who's with me? Let's take that lying mother fucker to the bank. Viva mis amigos, El Diablo esta aqui, ?donde ponemos?
AlwaysaLiberal
QUOTE (Randys @ Sep 5 2008, 05:25 PM) *
except what they dont know is it is all lip service from the repubs, sure some extremists are for it but the RNC cannot and will not plug the border, too many of their constituents are making fortunes off of the cheap labor


Yeah it's really hypocritical.
L-Rey-LA
QUOTE (EvilConservative @ Sep 5 2008, 02:29 PM) *
Duno, do you think the whole subject of illegal imigration was as big of an issue as it is now back in 2000, or '96?

Don't think so. McCain is trying to take a page out of Bush's book with comprehensive immigration reform.

I think Hispanic vote on immigration is a draw but if it's based on economy and human rights it will go toward Obama IMO. Recently there have been protests aimed at global economy not the narrow topic of immigration as Latin America is feeling the effect of people here not being able to send money to their families in other countries.

L-Rey-LA
QUOTE (AlwaysaLiberal @ Sep 5 2008, 02:30 PM) *
Thanks L-Rey.

No prob.
Starbuck
QUOTE (Randys @ Sep 5 2008, 05:19 PM) *
i hope you are right, i dont know from experience at all what the truth is, i have just noticed on this board usually the most vehement anti illegals are cuban americans and mexican americans

but it is a small sample here


Bull puckey.

QUOTE (EvilConservative @ Sep 5 2008, 05:22 PM) *
First, republicans are anti-illegal immigration, not anti Hispanic (nice try)

Second, From some Latinos that I have talked to (I work in a very highly Hispanic area) many are upset that they immigrated "the right way" and those who came here illegally took short cuts and are getting a free pass. Some even go as far to say illegal immigrants give the rest of Hispanics "a bad image" So naturally, they are anti-illegal immigration (and pro republican)

Edit: echo what Randys said.


Actually Republicans confuse the issue of being Hispanic with being illegal. They automatically assume that all the Hispanics in this nation are here illegally. They constantly bring up racism through suggesting that Hispanic culture and the Spanish language is destroying American culture.

It was the GOP in 1994 with their Contract on America that wanted to prevent all Hispanics of every background including the ones who were born here from gaining access to government funding, healthcare, and education. So yes indeed the GOP are anti-Hispanic.

They try to pass legislation against the Hispanic community all the time. Even the Republican Cuban-American tools in Congress fought against the Contract on America.
Randys
QUOTE (Starbuck @ Sep 5 2008, 03:43 PM) *
Bull puckey.

dont know if that is meant for me, but if it is remember i have been here a very long time and have seen a lot of stuff that you may have not...whether we still have people who feel that way i dont know
captainkona
There's way too many different kinds of "Hispanics' to make such a broad determination.

terpsoccer13
As a Puerto Rican most of the Latinos I know who are Republican are Cuban. Many whom are 2nd and 3rd generation. Many won't forgive Clinton for sending Elian back to his father, and still believe that when the Castro's are gone they can reclaim their land and former land holdings. The Republicans play to the Embargo side by refusing to change the status.
Randys
QUOTE (captainkona @ Sep 5 2008, 03:50 PM) *
There's way too many different kinds of "Hispanics' to make such a broad determination.

like i said, was going off what i saw here and if i am wrong i will gladly admit it

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