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5by5
First, an observation.

Where are the two places where either John McCain or his lobbyist representatives have been in recent months? Georgia, and Columbia.

What two regions are now experiencing weird outbreaks of violence either between neighbors, or within neighboring countries in the region? Georgia/Russia and Columbia/Bolivia.


Considering the prior activities of John McCain's little shadowy front group, the International Republican Institute, I think regarding either of these things as coincidence would be shear naivete'.

Most on this board are familiar with the slimy lobbying connections with the McCain campaign in the case of the Georgia/Russia conflict, but what about the happenings down in Latin America?

I find it interesting that during the entire time when Washington has been distracted with beating up brown people in the Middle East, brown people in Latin America have finally caught a bit of a break, and with even that little window of breathing room, basically the entire continent has turned Liberal, poverty has been reduced, agreements have been reached, and prosperity is growing.

But the closer John McCain gets to potentially gaining ultimate power, the more violence is breaking out.

As mentioned on a prior thread, there have been violent incidents and numerous deaths of indigenous people's who've had the damned temerity to sit on John McCain's oil in Columbia, and now there are actions taking place in Bolivia that resemble - quite remarkably - the conditions just prior to the 2002 coup in Venezuela.

For instance, the US Ambassador in Bolivia, Phillip Goldberg, met not with the duly and democratically elected leader of that country (the first indigenous man elected with 53% of the vote), but rather with the violent and racist opposition in Chuquisaca that is trying to both overthrow that government or secede from the country at large. And not only does he meet with the violent secessionists, he basically advises Washington to intervene on the side of the rebels, and publicly encourages President Morales to give in to their demands.

So Morales, quite rightfully considering just how beyond the pale that was diplomatically, kicks Ambassador Goldberg out of the country.

See, Bolivia is for the first time in their history, on the verge of passing, by wide margins, an equitable Constitution for all, including indigenous people's.

In celebration, peasants and indigenous peoples marched to the town square of Santa Cruz. For the first time, brown people with share in the power. And as Cicero said, "Freedom, is participation in power."

These peasants trying to be free, were met by the racist opposition - the rightwing white minority descendants of the Conquistadors, who've kept the native people's impoverished and powerless for the past 500 years or so -- which went after any person of brown skin or obvious Indian heritage, and women wearing the traditional native dress, the Pollera, were special targets of gangs of men wielding clubs, whips, and two-by-fours, and in some cases carrying shields with green swastikas on them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFAQrZmPIrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCYKv8jZ5Kc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1i5xV_74bo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q1d59tj_Pw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W7uALsXlWE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhg-l3FbDxk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS8f982GrfE

The people engaged in these acts of violence are what Washington refers to as "democracy activists" working against the "dictatorship" of Evo Morales.

Sound familiar?

PS. Santa Cruz where that violence took place, is in the Tarija region. What else is in that region? Supplies of natural gas.

Then two days ago, eight people were executed in a pro-Morales neighborhood. Then their pipelines to Brazil (which is basically that country's sole source of income), were sabotaged.

More Info:

http://www.counterpunch.org/webber09112008.html

I don't know about you, but I don't want to see the rise of rightwing death squads and authoritarian dictatorships like Pinochet's in Latin America again. Those people have been through enough.

Among the many things that no doubt will go horribly wrong under a McCain regime, you can pretty much bet on the loss of fragile new democracies in Latin America to the thugs again.
slateland
You mean crazy ass liberal... How dare you question John McCain... You see radical left wing media is to blame for all this.

LOL, I'm joking... Those are really good points... Most people don't do their homework with these issues... I was at a club tonight and this guy told me that some of his gay friends who were angry over Hilary are voting for McCain because he has that pig Palin as his running mate... You know, because she's a woman and all... Like wake up people. Not that I am so worried. I live in a blue state after all... But its this mentality that needs to stop.
5by5
Gay Republicans. Feh.

QUOTE (slateland @ Sep 13 2008, 10:58 PM) *
How dare you question John McCain...

Yeah, well considering he IRI's membership, this slime goes well beyond John McCain. This is a Shock Doctrine factory.

http://www.nndb.com/org/683/000051530/
pantherace
Wow. This is just another great example that whatever McCain says, the opposite is true. As if we needed more proof that he wants anything but true freedom.
slateland
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 14 2008, 01:23 AM) *
Gay Republicans. Feh.


Yeah, well considering he IRI's membership, this slime goes well beyond John McCain. This is a Shock Doctrine factory.

http://www.nndb.com/org/683/000051530/


Trust me I live in a very gay city. John Water's helped with that... But yeah, I have met gay men who are Reagan Republicans... I don't understand it either, but I think it has something to do with money... See there's this myth out there that if you want to make a lot of money and be able to keep it, you should vote Republican, because after all Democrats steal your hard earned money and redistribute it to poor people on food stamps who smoke crack and kill babies and shit like that. My theory is that because Gay men have become so rich and powerful in the media and clothing industry, there is pressure to want to support a party that claims to help hard working people keep more of their money.
5by5
Back on topic, a good article is up about this at Alternet:

http://www.alternet.org/audits/98649/a_mat...democracy!/
adamquestor
Republicans are all about death and destruction, sort of like Ripley's Aliens, smallpox, or the Black Death. IMO Republicans are a dangerous disease.
X-Ray-Spex
A new Republican Great Depression is upon us.

If the Democrats manage to prevail in November they must Re-Regulate everything that was De-Regulated in the seventies and eighties.
At this point it should be plain to see what the GOP's fiscal policies have wrought.


5by5
QUOTE (adamquestor @ Sep 15 2008, 04:10 PM) *
Republicans are all about death and destruction, sort of like Ripley's Aliens, smallpox, or the Black Death. IMO Republicans are a dangerous disease.

Nah. Republicans are like Carter Burke in "Aliens". Classic careerist. As in, "My career, my advancement, uber alles."
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