Is this part of the dumb-ing down of America?
The USA's headlong plunge into making the movie "Idiocracy" a reality?

When I hear an "average Mom" being interviewed on the news at a Palin rally, and she says "wouldn't it be nice to have someone like me in the White House" I shudder.
That somehow, if Palin was there, then the average Mom would be represented?
Is that what these loons think?

Apparently they are forgetting an important factor:

Namely that McCain's Republican handlers will pick his cabinet for him which is sure to be dominated by, like all other recent Republican cabinets, corporate CEO's and other cronies who's vested interest is pushing our government into serving their wealthy special interests.
These would include, but are not limited to, weakening rules and regulations that protect health and environment, slacking off on public safety requirements, funneling tax dollars to those in the top tier, further weakening of trade and labor laws to favor outsourcing of jobs, and much more.

It is a fact that when Republicans are in the White House they appoint this type of mentality to cabinet positions at an exponential rate over who the Democratic Party appoints.
Democrats appoint far more public service oriented people to cabinet positions. It's not even close.

Something for "hockey Mom's" to think about before they get all gooey with feelings towards Palin.


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So then, what you are saying is that a Republican administration will pick cabinet members with like minded Republican ideals while a Democratic administration will pick cabinet members with like minded Democratic ideals.

What a novel idea.

Why do conservatives support a person who doesn't know that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are not government programs?

Why are conservatives so intractably stupid?

For those of us lucky enough to have had our mothers with us when we were young, I'd like to add something.

Don't mess with Mama ................

When mama doesn't know the difference between a bailed out bank and a government program, mama needs to sit her ass down and open up a goddamned book.

In addressing Governor Palin comment "too big and too expensive to the taxpayers." I'd have to say that she is correct.

Both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are private businesses .................. that are backed (100%) by the Federal government. How many "private" businesses fall into this catagory? Private banks with Federal Deposit insurance is the only other up front Federal protection guarantee that I know of for a private business. And that guarantee is still not 100%.

Frankly, the private management of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac have made them "too big and too expensive to the taxpayers" if and when the Federal guarantees get invoked.

If Governor Palin had said the following instead "too big and too potentially expensive to the taxpayers", she would have been fine.

Sure she's correct...now that the taxpayers are going to be bailing them out...

It's an important distinction to make on this point of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The management of these two companies has been taken over by the Feds. The Feds (read US taxpayers) were already on the line 100% for these two "private" businesses. No additional risk has been assumed by the Feds.

Sure, there will be short term losses on some of the riskier Student and home morgage loans that these two lent under private management. There is also the strong possiblity of future earnings and profit for the Federal government. In a few years (and under proper Federal management) this Federal controlled business could actually be in the black .............. earning profits ...........

I love my mother too... I just wouldn't want her to be president. That's a scary thought right there. My mother, the woman who swerves into oncoming traffic claiming there was a pot hole in the road.

Oh, dear God, just the thought of her wearing one of those long vests she's crocheted to State Dinner! (My mom, that is.) And she'd turn the Lincoln bedroom into her sewing, ironing and treadmill room!

My mom would want to sit on her ass reading 24/7 and if god forbid they didn't let her get her hot bath and beauty sleep, she would launch a nuclear warhead.

Those hockey moms going goo goo for Palin are not into critical thinking. They are a lost cause. They don't care about affordable health care, more jobs, better infrastructure, diplomacy, and all that nonsense. Palin is one of god's chosen people. She's on a task from god. Her pit bull instinct and talent for sharp shooting is all they need to feel secure when they tuck their little ones in bed at night. Palin will answer that 3 a.m call with a rifle at her side and the nuclear button nearby. She'll show those terahrists a thing or too, you betcha!

In either case, you would hope it wouldn't be someone that the average person can say, "Oh yay, someone like me in the white house". Why would you want that? Bush got elected on his personality and ability to share a beer, and now we're in a new cold war with the beer drinker able to launch missles, but he's "someone like me" that's what matters!!!

You are still stuck in your left wing world view. Can't debate you there.

Could you please explain what you mean by that? I would think no matter what one's "world view" is (and please define this) one would not want a dufus in office. I can think of plenty of liberal dufuses who I would not want there. So how is that left wing?

I mean, really - as Kathy Griffin says, "I am so liberal I'm practically a Sandanista" what does that have to do with wanting competent people in office, no matter what their "world view"? I would HOPE it isn't just a liberal desire to have intelligent and thoughtful people in office. You're right, QBC, I obviously have NO understanding of your world view because I have been assuming that you also want people in office whose idiocy don't keep you awake at night.

I'm going to go do something constructive and go shopping.

I think it's a great Idea. I hope we do it every four years... The Democrat ones that is.

Read my response to you in this thread.

http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index...mp;#entry151312

Do you consider yourself to be the resident taunter? It's cool that you want to discuss things - but then you don't!

Why would you say that? Please explain.

By for instance, the above quote? You have done this in your posts in general, you aren't discussing ideas. You must be having fun with me, and I like making people laugh so yay - but now I'll go do something more productive and go pick my nose.

No disrespect intended. Have you had an opportunity to review the responses in the worldview thread you started?

Alaska Women V Palin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNlcYaEOLRM...-rally-is-huge/

‘Alaska Women Reject Palin’ Rally is HUGE![b]

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/a...-rally-is-huge/


"I attended the Welcome Home rally for Sarah Palin this morning. Hooo. It was an experience. About a thousand (maybe) hard-core Palin supporters showed up to hear her speak at the new Dena’ina Convention Center in downtown Anchorage.

After shaking it off with a good double shot of espresso, and a brisk walk back to my car, it was time to head to the Alaska Women Reject Palin rally. It was to be held outside on the lawn in front of the Loussac Library in midtown Anchorage. Home made signs were encouraged, and the idea was to make a statement that Sarah Palin does not speak for all Alaska women, or men. I had no idea what to expect.

The rally was organized by a small group of women, talking over coffee. It made me wonder what other things have started with small groups of women talking over coffee. It’s probably an impressive list. These women hatched the plan, printed up flyers, posted them around town, and sent notices to local media outlets. One of those media outlets was KBYR radio, home of Eddie Burke, a long-time uber-conservative Anchorage talk show host. Turns out that Eddie Burke not only announced the rally, but called the people who planned to attend the rally “a bunch of socialist baby-killing maggots”, and read the home phone numbers of the organizers aloud over the air, urging listeners to call and tell them what they thought. The women, of course, received many nasty, harassing and threatening messages.

So, as I jettisoned myself from the jaws of the ‘Drill Baby Drill’ crowd and toward the mystery rally at the library, I felt a bit apprehensive. I’d been disappointed before by the turnout at other rallies. Basically, in Anchorage, if you can get 25 people to show up at an event, it’s a success. So, I thought to myself, if we can actually get 100 people there that aren’t sent by Eddie Burke, we’ll be doing good. A real statement will have been made. I confess, I still had a mental image of 15 demonstrators surrounded by hundreds of menacing “socialist baby-killing maggot” haters.

It’s a good thing I wasn’t tailgating when I saw the crowd in front of the library or I would have ended up in somebody’s trunk. When I got there, about 20 minutes early, the line of sign wavers stretched the full length of the library grounds, along the edge of the road, 6 or 7 people deep! I could hardly find a place to park. I nabbed one of the last spots in the library lot, and as I got out of the car and started walking, people seemed to join in from every direction, carrying signs.

Never, have I seen anything like it in my 17 and a half years living in Anchorage. The organizers had someone walk the rally with a counter, and they clicked off well over 1400 people (not including the 90 counter-demonstrators). This was the biggest political rally ever, in the history of the state. I was absolutely stunned. The second most amazing thing is how many people honked and gave the thumbs up as they drove by. And even those that didn’t honk looked wide-eyed and awe-struck at the huge crowd that was growing by the minute. This just doesn’t happen here.

Then, the infamous Eddie Burke showed up. He tried to talk to the media, and was instantly surrounded by a group of 20 people who started shouting O-BA-MA so loud he couldn’t be heard. Then passing cars started honking in a rhythmic pattern of 3, like the Obama chant, while the crowd cheered, hooted and waved their signs high.

So, if you’ve been doing the math… Yes. The Alaska Women Reject Palin rally was significantly bigger than Palin’s rally that got all the national media coverage! So take heart, sit back, and enjoy the photo gallery. Feel free to spread the pictures around (links are appreciated) to anyone who needs to know that Sarah Palin most definitely does not speak for all Alaskans. The citizens of Alaska, who know her best, have things to say."

Do you think there's enough time to quickly write a "swift boat" like book and get it published before election day.

Someday liberals and conservatives will agree to nominate the best person for the job instead of the nicest/most neighborly dude.

As for advisors, they also should be the best in the field instead of the lobbyists who have worked at subverting the governmental departments that they are paid to oppress. (Here's hoping for an environmentalist to run the EPA instead of a oil-corp-backed shill)

I just read about a blogsite Women Against Sarah Palin

Women Against Sarah Palin
On Wednesday, September 3, we sent out an email to 40 friends and colleagues asking them to respond to Sarah Palin’s candidacy as Vice President of the United States. They forwarded the letter to their friends across America. To date, we have received more than 120,000 responses from women of all ages and backgrounds. Below are their voices.


It has some very interesting posts. Here's the link http://womenagainstsarahpalin.blogspot.com/

There were only two posts in there when I went to the store. Please stop sending me to various other threads and answer the questions in the thread that you're in at the moment.

My problem with your lack of discussion is that I thought you were a conservative who was interested in discussing ideas with liberals. That's cool, and I thought I could get some insight. But there have been no answers, just, "see that thread" ""take a neutral world view and then I'll answer you". This isn't a neutral place. Oh well, I could be sitting here eating my macaroni and in an enlightened state.

PolyEster that sounds like an amazing experience!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for passing out the optimism!!!

Well put. I've noticed this too. Instead of discussing various arguments based on the ACTUAL contents of the argument, QBC likes to shunt ANY argument away by labeling it. That's not a discussion, that's a debating PLOY.

There's no such thing as a "neutral point of view." If such exists, it's of no value, since neutrality of any issue is admission of "no opinion, no content."

If I can butt in for a momement here, Gwynograbbit, I think that this lengthy back and forth between you and QBC is due to QBC's questioning the basis of your opinion that allowed you to frame your post in this thread as follows ........................

In either case, you would hope it wouldn't be someone that the average person can say, "Oh yay, someone like me in the white house". Why would you want that? Bush got elected on his personality and ability to share a beer, and now we're in a new cold war with the beer drinker able to launch missles, but he's "someone like me" that's what matters!!!

Gwynograbbit


I don't happen to think that's the primary reason behind President Bush's election in 2000 and 2004.

This may be what QBC is trying to get to, in a round about way.

Why then? He eats his asparagus?

Thanks iveatch - well, I also don't think that is why Bush was elected in 2004, far from it. In 2000, however, the ONLY reasons I ever heard, ever, was that he seemed like a normal guy we could invite over for a barbeque, or to have a beer with. He had nothing going for him aside from his personality, and yes, that IS my perception, but I never heard anyone, either in person, or in the media, discuss any positive attribute of his opinions, or have any opinons of his to be able to discuss in any detail. His opinions were barely noticed - people just seemed relieved that he got through the interview/debate with some kind of grace. If there were people who took Bush's politics seriously in 2000, I never heard them, ever, and I am very observant and like to talk with people. In fact, his politics, his "world view", only really developed after 9/11. Then in 2004, yes, people voted for him based on what his opinons were and what his past actions had been.

Just a few thoughts that I hope I can explain in a logical way. (I'm not very good at typing my
thoughts coherently.)

"Repugs" agree with and support bush and cheney and their policies because they benefit from them in
some way. They are all authoritarians who follow their leaders much like fascists followed mussolini or hitler.

Maybe they derive financial, religious, psychological benefits from this horrible (to us) government.

2 cents........

I think what you are observing is the simple populist dream that a woman should find her way through education and experience a heartbeat away from the US Presidency. That much could be good. But, when the Cons get through with her final indoctrination she will be a Con robot ready to side with Israel while arming it to the teeth in a war that could ruin the planet. Ready to side with the Oilygarchs instead of creating and funding a 10-year energy independence "Apollo" type program that could again, save the planet earth from environmental catastrophy of climate change.

Healthcare will be a joke with her sending 50 million people to overloaded hospital emergency rooms with a Snidely Whiplash snear and that goofy upper lip thing of hers, while another 50 million go broke or bankrupt and homeless from swiss-cheese coverage they don't even know that they have.

Cons would make her the "mom" who appoints incompetents to run the public agencies or even run them backwards to hurt the middle class. She told Charlie that she is a 'made woman' who never questions the GOP lockstep. That is the way I read her statements.

Hockey plays into it surprisingly little, but you wouldn't know that yet from the MSM.

yah know I personally think that if you are voting for any candidate b/c they look like you are have kids like you is stupid! However, there are plenty of experienced women with kids who mcgimmick could have picked. The problem is, they would not be his gimmick girl...

woman can work and have babies and all the domestic crap but be qualified for the job!

From your post #13

In either case, you would hope it wouldn't be someone that the average person can say, "Oh yay, someone like me in the white house". Why would you want that? Bush got elected on his personality and ability to share a beer, and now we're in a new cold war with the beer drinker able to launch missles, but he's "someone like me" that's what matters!!!

Here is the problem I've been alluding to with my worldview argument.

Your specific question to me was "why would you want that?".

With your question, you are asking me why I would want someone like me in the white house. With your entire post, that I included above, you are making an assumption regarding what conservatives, including me, are looking for in a presidential candidate. You are then asking me to justify a position which conservatives don't have.

As I've been attempting to point out, you are making assumptions from within your worldview that are not accurate assumptions. For that reason, I am unable to answer your specific question "why would you want that?". The reason I can't answer the question is because that is not what I want.

There is a neutral frame of reference, and this particular post is taking place within that neutral frame of reference.

Rightwing Weltanschauung:

Bomb the planet, except Georgia and Israel (Israel's gonna be forced into christianity in The End, anyway)

Kill your neighbor with your guns

Force your daughter to have the fetus you impregnated her with, then call her a slut and kick her out of the house for getting pregnant out of "wedlock"

Give taxpayer money away to billionaiares under the guise of "fiscal conservatism"

Deregulate every industry, then blame Black people on welfare for when the economy tanks

Cry "sexism!!!!" when dippy spokesmodels are called out for their gaping lack of experience in ANYTHING but shooting bears

Cry "racism!!!!" when nonwhites talk about our own histories in this country

Brag to the world about praying down hurricanes on the gays

Amend the Constitution to deny people the same rights you take for granted

Scream about the evils of "Hollywood" when your political idols are Hollywood-created

Stop me when I'm getting warm.