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Obama: News 'major threat' to economy

Mike Allen 2 hours, 49 minutes ago

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was the first of the presidential nominees to issue a statement on the weekend's banking meltdown, declaring Monday morning that the turmoil "is a major threat to our economy and its ability to create good-paying jobs."

"I certainly don’t fault Senator McCain for these problems, but I do fault the economic philosophy he subscribes to," Obama said. "It’s a philosophy we’ve had for the last eight years – one that says we should give more and more to those with the most and hope that prosperity trickles down to everyone else. It’s a philosophy that says even common-sense regulations are unnecessary and unwise, and one that says we should just stick our heads in the sand and ignore economic problems until they spiral into crises."

The statement includes a line you can expect to hear from him on the stump: “Instead of prosperity trickling down, the pain has trickled up – from the struggles of hardworking Americans on Main Street to the largest firms of Wall Street."

Obama aides say he will hammer the message that the market upheaval shows that the country can’t afford four more years of policies aligned with those of the current administration.

Aides to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) say he plans to use the news to underscore the reform message that he began hammering at the Republican National Convention.

“This is bad news for the country and yet another sign that we need to reform Wall Street,” a senior McCain official said. “The only way we can do that is by reforming Washington first. We will show McCain and Palin as the ticket who will take action on the economy and make sure the taxpayers aren't stuck with the bill.”

Here is Obama's statement "on the Situation in Financial Markets":

“This morning we woke up to some very serious and troubling news from Wall Street. The situation with Lehman Brothers and other financial institutions is the latest in a wave of crises that are generating enormous uncertainty about the future of our financial markets. This turmoil is a major threat to our economy and its ability to create good-paying jobs and help working Americans pay their bills, save for their future, and make their mortgage payments.

“The challenges facing our financial system today are more evidence that too many folks in Washington and on Wall Street weren’t minding the store. Eight years of policies that have shredded consumer protections, loosened oversight and regulation, and encouraged outsized bonuses to CEOs while ignoring middle-class Americans have brought us to the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression.
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DonShafer
This needs to be laid directly at the feet of George Bush and John McCain.
George Bush's economic policies caused the problem and at no time did John McCain do or say anything to prevent it.
NoYards
I was watching McCain give a speech just this morning, and he was still saying the "fundamentals were strong" ... maybe he's confusing the Economic fundamentals and "Christian Fundamentals"?

GCurry
QUOTE (NoYards @ Sep 15 2008, 07:48 AM) *
I was watching McCain give a speech just this morning, and he was still saying the "fundamentals were strong" ... maybe he's confusing the Economic fundamentals and "Christian Fundamentals"?

Naw, he doesn't mean anything. He himself admits he doesn't know anything about economics. I'd bet $100 to Obama's campaign, that if you asked him what the fundamental metrics were, and whether they were rising/falling, he'd not even understand the question. He just says "fundamentals are strong" because it sounds good.
LaughinWillow
The thing that is truly frightening is that there is a huge segment of the US population that STILL will vote for McCain, and who thinks that things have never been better. Sometimes if I want to make myself sick, I listen to Limbaugh or Hannity - they are STILL touting the idea that the US economy is the best in the world, and bigger and better than ever! And they claim that the idea that the average person is in financial trouble is just a "lie" created by the left. And people call in agreeing with them. Insane. I'm so afraid that McCain will win and hurl us straight into a bonafide great depression. With 3 kids I'm trying to stay home to care for while my husband works, we DEFINITELY feel the economic trouble. $50 to fill up our little 1992 volvo sedan? And insane grocery bills, because we won't feed our kids prepackaged processed pseudo"food." The thought of McCain winning has me pulling out my hair.
SherriChardonnay
QUOTE (NoYards @ Sep 15 2008, 09:48 AM) *
I was watching McCain give a speech just this morning, and he was still saying the "fundamentals were strong" ... maybe he's confusing the Economic fundamentals and "Christian Fundamentals"?


ha! mcgranpy stays confused!

now if the tide does not change for the Obama camp then we are nations full of idiots!
5by5
The most lucid, concise portions of Obama's statement on the economy?

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Eight years of policies that have shredded consumer protections, loosened oversight and regulation, and encouraged outsized bonuses to CEOs while ignoring middle-class Americans have brought us to the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression.

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Now, instead of prosperity trickling down, the pain has trickled up.
egghead
QUOTE (NoYards @ Sep 15 2008, 09:48 AM) *
I was watching McCain give a speech just this morning, and he was still saying the "fundamentals were strong" ... maybe he's confusing the Economic fundamentals and "Christian Fundamentals"?


And with that gibberish, he will lose the election.

We have lost 10 banks this year you goober.
SherriChardonnay
the obama camp needs to jump on this mcgimmick comments and cont to peg him as being out of touch!
5by5
QUOTE (egghead @ Sep 15 2008, 07:55 AM) *
And with that gibberish, he will lose the election.

We have lost 10 banks this year you goober.

He's selling the "Faith-based Economy 2.0" and people know that comes loaded with a virus that eats their bank accounts, so they aren't buying.
egghead
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The thing that is truly frightening is that there is a huge segment of the US population that STILL will vote for McCain, and who thinks that things have never been better.


It's fantastic for the 1/10th of 1% in this country - their income has increased 57%.




QUOTE (LaughinWillow @ Sep 15 2008, 09:53 AM) *
Sometimes if I want to make myself sick, I listen to Limbaugh or Hannity - they are STILL touting the idea that the US economy is the best in the world, and bigger and better than ever! And they claim that the idea that the average person is in financial trouble is just a "lie" created by the left. And people call in agreeing with them. Insane. I'm so afraid that McCain will win and hurl us straight into a bonafide great depression. With 3 kids I'm trying to stay home to care for while my husband works, we DEFINITELY feel the economic trouble. $50 to fill up our little 1992 volvo sedan? And insane grocery bills, because we won't feed our kids prepackaged processed pseudo"food." The thought of McCain winning has me pulling out my hair.


It's cwazy. I finally got through to my very busy daughter who is attending school and working very hard at a full time job too. She finally realized that I am not Ms. Gloom and Doom and promised she would make time to keep up with this election and the present, grave finanical situation. Now my niece knows because she has time to read and investigate. Sometimes this is what's going on - people don't have time to look up, or they are in freaking denial and are lemmings who refuse to read or investigate -- like those you described above.
SherriChardonnay
mccains new ad....on the economy...this is better than and SNL skit!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/15/m...x_n_126431.html
jammonius
QUOTE (SherriChardonnay @ Sep 15 2008, 10:53 AM) *
ha! mcgranpy stays confused!

now if the tide does not change for the Obama camp then we are nations full of idiots!


If you rely on polling data for your perception of which way the tide is turning, then you are likely conclude that Murkins are idiots. If, on the other hand, you rely on your independent perception of events and of anecdotal information available to you, you are likely to conclude that the tide either never changed or has turned.
roadrunner
QUOTE (NoYards @ Sep 15 2008, 08:48 AM) *
... he was still saying the "fundamentals were strong" ...



We keep hearing this. I tell you what - if your doctor tells you "Man you are in great shape and a perfect image of health ..... well, with the exception of that brain tumor." Immediately go find another doctor!!!

Someone who "was as healthy as a horse until the minute he keeled over from that heart attack" is still DEAD!
mottazuma
QUOTE (LaughinWillow @ Sep 15 2008, 07:53 AM) *
Sometimes if I want to make myself sick, I listen to Limbaugh or Hannity - they are STILL touting the idea that the US economy is the best in the world, and bigger and better than ever!

Let's see...
-We don't manufacture much of anything anymore, but export lots of raw materials to countries that DO.
-We have a huge trade deficits for which we try to make up with foreign investment in our economy (mortgage securities are a large portion of this - Ahhh, the REAL reason for the bailouts).
-We have transformed from a creditor nation to a massive debtor nation.
-A Widening gap between haves and have nots.
-A declining currency
-A decaying public infrastructure
-Lousy health care system (of course that is by design)
-Diminishing public education system (also by design)

Sounds like a fast track to becoming a third world country.

QUOTE (egghead @ Sep 15 2008, 08:06 AM) *
It's fantastic for the 1/10th of 1% in this country - their income has increased 57%.

Thank goodness we have the most powerful military on earth to assist in keeping doors open for foreign "trade" so that the 1/10th of the 1% can continue to keep their coffers overflowing.
shoeshoe
QUOTE (SherriChardonnay @ Sep 15 2008, 07:59 AM) *
the obama camp needs to jump on this mcgimmick comments and cont to peg him as being out of touch!

Abso-friggin-lutely.
leftysergeant
What fundamentals could he be talking about? We have no manufacturing base any more, there is not water for both fisheries and farming and the banks are failing. Haven't we seen this movie before?
TapDuncan
Wow, talk about an idiot, I couldn't believe it when I read that this am. We have banks failing, and everything ok. Magoo fiddles while America burns.
raye
QUOTE (egghead @ Sep 15 2008, 11:06 AM) *
It's fantastic for the 1/10th of 1% in this country - their income has increased 57%.


When I read that, I wanted to ring Randi's bell! biggrin.gif

Ding, ding! You are 100% correct!
SherriChardonnay
check out what else Obama said today in Colorado!

Obama:If you believe that, I've got a bridge to Alaska to sell you!

DonShafer
And yet, there is a large segment of this country that despite all attempts to educate, still believe that Obama is going to raise all of our taxes.
In fact, I heard Brit Hume state yesterday that a large amount of the American public does not pay taxes, so therefore Obama's tax plan would result in these non-taxpayers getting a subsidy from the government.
I tried to find the manuscript from yesterday's show to link, but oddly enough Fox does not provide manuscripts?
Lightnup
QUOTE (DonShafer @ Sep 15 2008, 10:46 AM) *
This needs to be laid directly at the feet of George Bush and John McCain.
George Bush's economic policies caused the problem and at no time did John McCain do or say anything to prevent it.

THAT'S NOT TRUE
Cuomo and Fannie and Freddie
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There are as many starting points for the mortgage meltdown as there are fears about how far it has yet to go, but one decisive point of departure is the final years of the [b]Clinton administration, when a kid from Queens without any real banking or real-estate experience was the only man in Washington with the power to regulate the giants of home finance, the Federal National Mortgage Association (FNMA) and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (FHLMC), better known as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Andrew Cuomo, the youngest Housing and Urban Development secretary in history, made a series of decisions between 1997 and 2001 that gave birth to the country's current crisis. He took actions that—in combination with many other factors—helped plunge Fannie and Freddie into the subprime markets without putting in place the means to monitor their increasingly risky investments. He turned the Federal Housing Administration mortgage program into a sweetheart lender with sky-high loan ceilings and no money down, and he legalized what a federal judge has branded "kickbacks" to brokers that have fueled the sale of overpriced and unsupportable loans. Three to four million families are now facing foreclosure, and Cuomo is one of the reasons why.


Another Excerpt:

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But Cuomo wasn't only stifling data that HUD could use to keep the GSEs out of trouble. He also went against his own recommendation—in a report issued jointly with the Treasury Department a few months earlier—that called for a prohibition against the GSEs purchasing loans "with high costs and/or predatory features." Instead, Cuomo decided without explanation to adopt rules that prohibited nothing.


NO WAY THIS CAN BE LAID AT GEORGE BUSH'S FEET.

Lightnup
Fannie Freddie Campaign Contributions

Who received the most Fannie Mae/Feddie Mac Campaign Contributions?

#1 Christopher Dodd
#2 Barak NObama
#3 John Kerry
5by5
Behold the newest batch of bullshit.
Randys
http://www.truthout.org/article/is-big-oil...onations-mccain

Top CEO's Give Ten Times More to McCain than Obama

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stat...ticle778639.ece

Some of these same donors were at the heart of questions raised earlier this month about Sargeant's bundling work for GOP presidential candidate John McCain. No one alleges the donors were reimbursed, which would be illegal, but some wondered why a group of modest-income Californians who aren't avid voters would contribute the maximum to McCain's campaign.

McCains Biggest Contributors

1 Citigroup Inc (Subprime Scandal) (Class 3 asset questions) $145,050
2 Blank Rome LLP (attorneys) $141,400
3 Greenberg Traurig (1750 lawyers) $129,987
4 Merrill Lynch (Subprime Scandal) (Class 3 asset questions) $119,675
5 Goldman Sachs (Subprime Scandal) (Class 3 asset questions)
$111,050
6 IDT Corp (telecommunications) $80,150
7 Pinnacle West Capital $77,850
8 Bank of New York Mellon (Subprime Scandal) $74,000
9 JP Morgan Chase & Co (Subprime Scandal) (Class 3 asset
questions) $72,100
10 Irvine Co Apartment Community $68,400
Suzuki
The real question here is this..when in the hell is middle class republicans going to wake up and realize that the republican party doesn't give a s*** about them? The republicans can't get elected without their vote. These folk need their damn heads examined. ohmy.gif
GCurry
QUOTE (Lightnup @ Sep 15 2008, 01:33 PM) *
....

NO WAY THIS CAN BE LAID AT GEORGE BUSH'S FEET.

Don't be silly. Eight years is eight years. Clinton might have had a hand in it, but then Eisenhower, Lincoln and even the founders of this country have warned about excessive power of corporations. Bush accelerated deregulation, which was the wrong direction. He had eight years of opportunity, which is the maximum. Every President makes a choice, and has to decide whether they represent the people or corporations, Main Street or Wall Street. Bush43 and Bush 44 represent Wall Street. Obama represents Main Street. Clinton was somewhere in the middle. We can blame everyone who chooses to represent Wall Street, in a country supposedly of, by and for the people.
Randys
QUOTE (Lightnup @ Sep 15 2008, 02:06 PM) *
Fannie Freddie Campaign Contributions

Who received the most Fannie Mae/Feddie Mac Campaign Contributions?

#1 Christopher Dodd
#2 Barak NObama
#3 John Kerry




The Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (FHLMC) (NYSE: FRE), commonly known as Freddie Mac, is a privately-owned and run government sponsored enterprise (GSE) of the United States federal government. It is a stockholder-owned corporation, authorized to make loans and loan guarantees. so, our candidate receives donations from entities designed to make home ownership possible...that is terrible
Randys
QUOTE (Suzuki @ Sep 15 2008, 02:13 PM) *
The real question here is this..when in the hell is middle class republicans going to wake up and realize that the republican party doesn't give a s*** about them? The republicans can't get elected without their vote. These folk need their damn heads examined. ohmy.gif

i have been trying to explain it to them, they wont listen

i got a co worker to admit, hardcore repub, that he preferred obamas tax plan to mccains and he even uttered the words "let the rich pay their fare share"

i guess being exposed to me helps... tongue.gif

but for the most part they cant see it, they have been told that they may be one of them someday, i think that is a big part of it... if they only knew
DonShafer
If Bush had been allowed to privatize Social Security, as of yesterday, every person's retirement fund would be worth 20% less than it was in 2004.
GCurry
QUOTE (DonShafer @ Sep 15 2008, 02:21 PM) *
If Bush had been allowed to privatize Social Security, as of yesterday, every person's retirement fund would be worth 20% less than it was in 2004.

Depends how they'd invested it, right? If in an index fund, they'd be hurt less (just inflation and market woes). But if they put it in financials, they'd be SCREWED - maybe it'd even be 80% less.
DonShafer
QUOTE (GCurry @ Sep 15 2008, 04:23 PM) *
Depends how they'd invested it, right? If in an index fund, they'd be hurt less (just inflation and market woes). But if they put it in financials, they'd be SCREWED - maybe it'd even be 80% less.


Scary isn't it?
And I just got a response from a Repuke that works for me when I forwarded a news article that the Dow dropped 500 points.


"Meanwhile Wells Fargo stock is still solid. I really wish I would have bought when it was at $20. Now it's at $32.20. Oh well...live and learn.

The markets definitely took it on the chin today. 500 point loss is big, but our economy seems to be pretty robust so we'll weather this storm. The next few months will be bad for the companies that were owed money by Lehman."


Randys
QUOTE (GCurry @ Sep 15 2008, 02:23 PM) *
Depends how they'd invested it, right? If in an index fund, they'd be hurt less (just inflation and market woes). But if they put it in financials, they'd be SCREWED - maybe it'd even be 80% less.

anybody stupid enough to want to privatize soc sec, other than the thieves who would actually implement it and handle it, just have to look at their 401K statement for the past few years and see what a disaster that would be....
Randys
QUOTE (DonShafer @ Sep 15 2008, 12:47 PM) *
And yet, there is a large segment of this country that despite all attempts to educate, still believe that Obama is going to raise all of our taxes.
In fact, I heard Brit Hume state yesterday that a large amount of the American public does not pay taxes, so therefore Obama's tax plan would result in these non-taxpayers getting a subsidy from the government.
I tried to find the manuscript from yesterday's show to link, but oddly enough Fox does not provide manuscripts?

hume is a fucking liar...
carmenjonze
QUOTE (GCurry @ Sep 15 2008, 02:17 PM) *
Don't be silly. Eight years is eight years. Clinton might have had a hand in it, but then Eisenhower, Lincoln and even the founders of this country have warned about excessive power of corporations. Bush accelerated deregulation, which was the wrong direction. He had eight years of opportunity, which is the maximum. Every President makes a choice, and has to decide whether they represent the people or corporations, Main Street or Wall Street. Bush43 and Bush 44 represent Wall Street. Obama represents Main Street. Clinton was somewhere in the middle. We can blame everyone who chooses to represent Wall Street, in a country supposedly of, by and for the people.


Yeah, but conservatives do not consider us to be people.

Only they are people.

Everyone else is subhuman and all looks alike.
GCurry
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Sep 15 2008, 02:33 PM) *
Yeah, but conservatives do not consider us to be people.

Only they are people.

Everyone else is subhuman and all looks alike.

Yes, and there you have it.
DonShafer
QUOTE (Randys @ Sep 15 2008, 04:30 PM) *
hume is a fucking liar...


True.
But it would still be nice to find it in print, in case someone doesn't believe it.
Lightnup
QUOTE (Randys @ Sep 15 2008, 05:20 PM) *
i have been trying to explain it to them, they wont listen

i got a co worker to admit, hardcore repub, that he preferred obamas tax plan to mccains and he even uttered the words "let the rich pay their fare share"

i guess being exposed to me helps... tongue.gif

but for the most part they cant see it, they have been told that they may be one of them someday, i think that is a big part of it... if they only knew

Earlier today, Dan L A posted that the rich should pay their "fear" share. Now Randys calls it the fare share. It seems you dems even have a problem with referring to higher taxes as "fair."
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Lightnup @ Sep 15 2008, 02:38 PM) *
Earlier today, Dan L A posted that the rich should pay their "fear" share. Now Randys calls it the fare share. It seems you dems even have a problem with referring to higher taxes as "fair."


Oh.

I thought we were libbz.

Ooo dagnabit i just HATE those libbz, they just wanna kill babies for their satanic rituals and take MY MONEY and give it to BLACKS. stupid.gif
DonShafer
QUOTE (Lightnup @ Sep 15 2008, 04:38 PM) *
Earlier today, Dan L A posted that the rich should pay their "fear" share. Now Randys calls it the fare share. It seems you dems even have a problem with referring to higher taxes as "fair."


And it seems that Repukes have a problem with the truth in general.
DonShafer
Why do Repukes hate the middle class?
Lightnup
QUOTE (Randys @ Sep 15 2008, 05:30 PM) *
hume is a fucking liar...

IRS Report - Who doesn't pay taxes

In 2005, 32.6% didn't pay taxes, same as 2004, but more than 2003. No doubt in the last 5 years, the percentage has gone up.
Randys
QUOTE (Lightnup @ Sep 15 2008, 02:45 PM) *
IRS Report - Who doesn't pay taxes

In 2005, 32.6% didn't pay taxes, same as 2004, but more than 2003. No doubt in the last 5 years, the percentage has gone up.

what does that have to do with what he said?


how do they get a new subsidy under obama which is what hume is alleged to have said ???
Lightnup
QUOTE (Randys @ Sep 15 2008, 05:46 PM) *
what does that have to do with what he said?


how do they get a new subsidy under obama which is what hume is alleged to have said ???

He said 40% of Americans don't pay taxes, so how can they possibly get a Nobama tax break? Yet Barry says he's giving 95% of Americans a tax break. The only way to give people who don't pay any taxes a "tax break" would be to pay them a "tax credit."
Randys
QUOTE (DonShafer @ Sep 15 2008, 02:44 PM) *
Why do Repukes hate the middle class?

great question and one that deserves its own thread...

not all of them do, but the neocons/corp bosses, most of them do and it is a very interesting discussion...
RandiLover
QUOTE (LaughinWillow @ Sep 15 2008, 07:53 AM) *
The thing that is truly frightening is that there is a huge segment of the US population that STILL will vote for McCain, and who thinks that things have never been better. Sometimes if I want to make myself sick, I listen to Limbaugh or Hannity - they are STILL touting the idea that the US economy is the best in the world, and bigger and better than ever! And they claim that the idea that the average person is in financial trouble is just a "lie" created by the left. And people call in agreeing with them. Insane. I'm so afraid that McCain will win and hurl us straight into a bonafide great depression. With 3 kids I'm trying to stay home to care for while my husband works, we DEFINITELY feel the economic trouble. $50 to fill up our little 1992 volvo sedan? And insane grocery bills, because we won't feed our kids prepackaged processed pseudo"food." The thought of McCain winning has me pulling out my hair.


20 Dollars to fill my 1990 Harley with 98 thou on it. When I bought it in 1995, it cost me 5 bucks to fill it. My car cost about 10 bucks to fill back in 1995, now its 40 bucks. I have a vette that I have been restoring for the past 7 years. It used to cost me 25 bucks to fill it, now its around 100. Needless to say, I just look at the vette parked now days. I still get to enjoy a cup of coffee, my ipod, as I wash my vette and then get to enjoy its beauty while it sits there. It is at least paid for. So I count my blessings. Will I be buying anything new, HELL NO!
Randys
QUOTE (Lightnup @ Sep 15 2008, 02:52 PM) *
He said 40% of Americans don't pay taxes, so how can they possibly get a Nobama tax break? Yet Barry says he's giving 95% of Americans a tax break. The only way to give people who don't pay any taxes a "tax break" would be to pay them a "tax credit."

i see you are going to refer to him as barry, i will therefore end this discussion now...
carmenjonze
QUOTE (DonShafer @ Sep 15 2008, 02:44 PM) *
Why do Repukes hate the middle class?


Conservatives hate everything.

Conservatives hate.

Period.
gutterballz
QUOTE (Lightnup @ Sep 15 2008, 05:52 PM) *
He said 40% of Americans don't pay taxes, so how can they possibly get a Nobama tax break? Yet Barry says he's giving 95% of Americans a tax break. The only way to give people who don't pay any taxes a "tax break" would be to pay them a "tax credit."


Nice try

spin again
X-Ray-Spex
QUOTE (Lightnup @ Sep 15 2008, 02:45 PM) *


A boat-load of lies and feculence. thumbsdown.gif

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