Maybe it was not a biden gaff afterall when he suggested she would be better maybe he saw he gave no bumb at all to the ticket and knew she would. Maybe with palen it is even a better choice now, so she is no longer the woman but the wrong woman instead. Maybe we should take advantage of 18 million votes many of whome are exactly the ones Obama is having problems with.

So Obama needs to let the Republican party choose who his running mate is? Screw that.

thank you!

No, Obama needs to select a running mate who can help him beat the republican party. Be nice to see it happen.

Obama already has chosen a candidate that can help beat the Republican party. Sarah Palin wouldn't make a pimple on Joe Biden's ass...

LOL. Always remember they attack in others that which they are most fearful about in themselves.

The only reason why they are suggesting we abandon our stellar pick of Biden (like fuck we would) is because they are beginning to realize what a whopping mistake it was putting Caribou Barbie on the ticket, unvetted and dimwitted, and are now considering dropping HER from the ticket.

Biden isn't the one experiencing a 10 point approval slide in mere HOURS......

And the Obama-Biden ticket is the one picking up MULTIPLE endorsements from women's groups.

Very well said.

Stop all the gloom and doom, we are winning!

whew... stop it, yer killin' me.

What were you not watching the Democratic Convention?? The party UNITED. Bill Clinton blessed the choice of Biden. Hilliary is campaigning for the ticket. Obama will be president. Get use to it.

Those 18 million voters are voting for Obama/Biden. The ticket and party are unified. You're saying this because you're letting the RNC bait you with the Palin pick. Go ahead, be manipulated. Just keep telling yourself that Palin is the earmark queen and she puts the needs of Washington lobbyists ahead of rape victims in her state.

Obama won and Hillary didn't - voters chose his judgment over hers. Don't know why that's not good enough for you, but it's good enough for me!

His judgment has certainly proved more sound than hers over the last six years, so let's stick with the winner, eh?

Besides....

Fiorina said neither McCain, nor Palin, could run a corporation. Maybe it's not too late to replace Palin with someone with a little business knowledge. Maybe even replace both of them.

No. When McCain first seemed to gain traction because of his choice of Palin, I was depressed. It seemed as if the electorate was, indeed, suffering from abysmal and terminal stupidity. But the more they get to know about Palin, the more they seem to be turning back to Barack as the real champion of women's legitimate concerns. (Maybe they're not so stupid after all.) Biden, not Clinton, is the right choice for VP.

Personally, I think the Democratic Party should put more emphasis upon the wisdom or Obama's choice as contrasted with the irresponsibility of McCain's.

Evidence?

Every single metric show a tie, or McCain ahead.

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

We HOPE we're ahead, but there's no evidence at this moment to draw that conclusion; whereas there's plenty of hard numbers pointing in the other direction.

Ignoring reality won't change it. The reality is we're in trouble. It's no time to get discouraged, neither is it time to bury heads in the sand.

It's time to get up off our comfortable asses, and work like crazy (just like the conservative boots on the ground will be doing in droves).

As much as I would love to see Hillary as VP, giving Biden the boot right now would just show bad judgement on Obama's part.....no, not a good idea, imho.

What fucking "metric"? Nobody's VOTED yet.

Dial down the stupid corporate media inspired specu-la-tation.

Barack will clear this by 60% or better. There are just too many new Democrats registering. People can't WAIT to vote against the republicans. I'm excited to have the chance to tell them to go fuck themselves!

Why do you think the Repukes are struggling so hard to suppress the vote?

THEY'RE SCARED SHITLESS!!!

We're literally going to DROWN them in votes for Obama.

Fiorina is a fine one to talk about not knowing how to run a corporation.

whatever.....

True, and McCain's judgment stinks about knowing what makes a good President (cue "hug" picture here).

I think Obama ought to make the "hug picture" practically the logo of his campaign. We ought to be seeing that picture continually, in ads, in print, everwhere.

A media-related statement I can AGREE WITH!

There's no question the media has long taken the easiest road to election coverage - the "horse race" aspect. And in each election it has been more intense then the last. There is no question (IMO) that, with new polls every couple of days, and ENDLESS rambling commentary from every conceivable pundit and paid-campaign consultant supposedly "analyzing" those polls, the media has encouraged and modeled absurd - and ultimately POINTLESS - speculation about who is gonna win, how they're gonna win, where they're gonna win, and so on.

I'm with you on dumping this squarely in the lap of the media. It's cheap and it's easy, and all the "research" is easily delivered directly to their desk. Pisses me off, lazy assholes.

This whole rumor was just discussed on the Ed Schultz show and its a right wing gimick to confuse voters, etc.

i was not a hillary supporter due to her support of the patriot act and a slew of other issues. if i were switching out biden i'd swith him out for a more progressive candidate like jesse ventura or dennis kucinich.

Or, replace all four??? Obama and Biden too.

This topic may have seemed appropriate back when the single largest and, by far, most talked about election issue was whether or not Obama had intended to refer to Palin as a pig in lipstick, but that was then.

Now, the economic crisis has overtaken the former sorry state of election campaign affairs and caused people to sober up in a hurry.

It's gone beyond the notion of "it's the economy stupid" to merely being

It's the economy

and, oh! by the way, Obama, and not McCain, has been talking sense about what will be done to guide us through the dire straits we are in.

Ummm why on Earth would he choose Hillary as his VP? I'm sorry but I'm really tired of hearing crap like this. He already has enough against him because he's "black" unfortunately. If he put a woman on the ticket with him it would be a "double threat". He can't win the election with Hillary on the ticket. Hillary has a reputation with republicans that is really not good. I'm sorry but you are kind of naive if you think that an Obama/Hillary ticket would win.

I love Hillary but face it, it's not going to happen and Obama was wise not to do it. It was nothing against Hillary and she knows that. People need to stop it with this Hillary vs. Obama crap, it's over.

STILL TIME TO REPLACE PALIN WITH LIEBERMAN.

DEKE--Thank you, I was gonna say that, it's all a bunch of BS, they can't win fair and square and they know it.

OBAMA HAS A RUNNING MATE, IF ALL THE DEMOCRATS GOT BEHIND THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET, WE WOULD WIN, AFTERALL THERE IS SUPPOSED MORE REGISTERED DEM VOTERS.

HOWEVER, LET'S STOP HIDING BEHIND THE FACT THAT HE SHOULD HAVE CHOSEN CLINTON, IT STILL BOILS DOWN TO THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM,,...............RACISM.


STOP PRETENDING IT DOESN'T EXIST.

I wonder, given the fact that this issue is based entirely on Republican fiction, doesn't this seem like an attempt merely to sow discord by anyone else? Really, what other reason could there be? Anyone dumb enough to think there was any merit in the OP's suggestion is obviously in over their head on this board anyway.

And to think when I came here you all told me you didn't need the Hillary vote. Look...you lost the white women 20 point spread. You did need them Hillary should be the VP. Now McCain has the chance to beat us with Palin.

Me, I actually went to an Obama rally in Pueblo, CO a couple of days ago.

It sure look bleak right now. If this economy thing doesn't help then get ready for Bush 3.

Still time to bust Republican talking points. This topic is absurd.

Well, I question anyone who writes like that. His post seemed to be screaming for attention. But I just felt like responding because I hear people say that on TV all the time.

Umm all Sarah Palin did was attract sexist men to the ticket. Most women think the whole thing is gross and sexist. Get ready for ignore...

Oh please please please please please!!! C'mon, Alaska, I know you folks know how to draft an indictment quickly!

why i do believe you

I find it absurd to believe that any woman who seriously supported Hillary for Prez or VP would vote McLame-o under ANY circumstances. Especially when grampy picked a running mate that stands against every core progressive principle Hillary supporters value.

It's just right-wing spin.

Small correction, Jamm: There should probably be 3 exclamation marks. i.e.

It's the economy!!!

The vast majority still do. Correct me if I'm remembering incorrectly, I don't believe anyone who is insisting she be called in now is someone who rejected her previously. Those whining about HRC now were whining about her 2,3, 4 months ago.


Nah, only lost the woman who wanted a female, or McCain - one or the other. Glad to see 'em go. Oh, and we never had the bigots anyway, so let 'em stay gone.



Good for you! Tell us about it! Were you inspired, impressed, convinced? Learn anything? Any problems, concerns?

Finally, it doesn't look at all bleak for Obama right now. On the other hand, though you seem to regard the economy woes as a campaign tactic, the economy IS bleak. Bleak enough even to move the election and inauguration up, perhaps. We could use GWB and the rest of the Republicans out and Obama in ASAP.

AIG today, WaMu tomorrow, Mutual Funds en masse the day after. The economic crisis is threatening to become a full blown catastrophe with things like food and gas shortages looming.

One thing for sure, there will be no further meaningless polls seeking to find out how people are responding to this or that campaign one-liner.

Murkins have no choice but to wake the fuc up now.

For Obama's next dose of campaign reality, he may have to encourage people to stay calm until the election, even if there's not much food in the local grocery store.

We know we can count on Bush to be lame and useless, but someone has to take the lead.

Replacing Biden with Clinton would be playing McCain's game by McCain's rules. He wants this to be a contest of personalities.

Okay, if we paly that game, we should play it by our rules. Point out that Caribou Barbie and Grampy are both anti-woman. Palin was in violation of the VAMA when she let that little piggy Fannon charge for rape kits. She was also, to some extent, being a bit of a racist. Native women are more likely to be raped than white women.

McCain voted against the VAMA. Biden sponsored it.

Who is the more feminist?

Certainly neither Grampy or Sarah.

Why should we let those woman-haters call the tune for our dance?

Hillary is on our side, I think you should be too by now.

Alas, sure there will. Much easier for Chris Matthews to scan his e-mail box for polling results, and to engage in 45 minutes of "analysis" (aka bullshitting with longtime friends and colleagues) as to what they mean than it is for him to sit down and learn the details of the AIG bailout, the consequences of the Lehman bankruptcy and how the Fed works.

I wish I were wrong - I wish you were right. But you'll see polls continue to get more and more attention. You'll note I did NOT say they'll grow in importance. But as polls measure the reaction of voters to what's happening in reality, the vast majority of the media will spend FAR more time discussing the reactions and their ramifications to the "contest" than they will discussing the realities.

Of course its too late to replace Biden, don't be an idiot.

If HRC was the Veep nominee Obama would win, and if Biden were Veep Obama would win.

Deregulation caused the economy to take a crap in its pants, and its McCain at the center of the diaper.

Do you really think that a brief bump in the polls due to the novelty of an interesting choice for Veep is going to sustain McCain? Do you think his lies will not catch up with him?

DO YOU REALIZE THERE HASNT BEEN A SINGLE DEBATE YET?

For fucks sake the lot of you need to buck up and grow a pair, and if you don't have enough, Hillary WILL loan you hers.

Jesus Christ get a grip.

i'd be shocked if they dropped palin. it would be very unrovian. republicans, at least since the W. era, have not flinched under pressure from the MSM. They don’t feel they have to. they've created an alternate universe in right wing la la land. mccain is going to continue to rely on palin's popularity among the blind and faithful, hope that's good enough to keep things close, then steal a few million votes to them over the top. They're confident that neither the MSM nor the democrats have the balls to call them on it. History has proven them right.

Obama is not backing down from anything. He went right for Grampy's juglar after his comments about the ecconomic fundamentals' being sound.

"What ecconomy are you talking about?" was a brilliant come-back. Want to call Obama out of touch again?

Why would anyone want to replace Biden? The man is great!

Did I miss something. I had a partial knee replacement 10 days before Obama came to Pueblo. But I got up and drive myself 40 miles down there....walked a long way and sat on bleacher sits for 3.5 hours just to hear him in person. Come on give me some credit here.

Good for you! Tell us about it! Were you inspired, impressed, convinced? Learn anything? Any problems, concerns

Since the acceptance speech he is giving a lot more detail on how he plans to do things which makes me happier. It also makes it easier to defend him to the rabid dogs.

I did have some fun with an Obama caller a few days ago and they need some work on how to talk to a Hillary girl. I have thought about going down to the Obama office and talking to them about that...but I not sure how that would be received.

But I think the biggest thing has been to own that I am a Hillary girl, that will never change....Obama is not my candidate but it doesn't mean I don't agree with most of his message. Colorado is in play for the Dems...that doesn't happen often. So need to do the right thing....but in my heart I wish she was on the ticket.